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Istvan Gabor-3
Hello:

Without saying anything about Leap 42.2's default plasma desktop,
just a list of questions. I have Leap 42.2 with deafult KDE desktop
(plasma 5?):

-desktop panel: how to see hight in pixels?
-start menu classic mode: how to set old opensuse classification;
menu/submenu, eg. Multimedia/Video players, Audio editors, Volume
control etc, as it used to be?
-how to set start menu: most frequently used application?
(not favorites and recently used)
-how to disable KDE wallett service window popping up
(eg. every time after vivaldi startup)
-where is screen saver settings? (not screen locker)
-plasma system settings - search field: where is clear search
field button?
-measurement units: set to metric (not country)
-time format: set to YYYY-MM-DD, not country, because I don't
know which country uses this
-keyboard switching by keyboard shortcut: disable keyboard layout
changing popup/widget in the middle of the screen
-kde5/plasma5 system settings: help/about doesn't show version number,
why, how do I get it?
-how to disable the menu button at the right edge of the bottom panel?
-panel add widgets looks very ugly - very wide column at the left edge
of the screen with HUGE ugly icons and big fonts - is this normal?
-how to set font color to real black 0/0/0 rgb, not gray) on the panel,
in the start menu, in the panel clock
-how to prevent plasma5 to mess up KDE3 session (it even messes up kde3
session of users who never used/logged in to plasma5)
-how to fix missing panel icons, many application icon on the panel is
not shown, only empty space at their supposed locations, this depends
also on icon them, but breeze (deafult?) is affected too.


Finally, is it feasible to install KDE4 instead of this default thing,
something that was available in 13.1 and 13.2? If yes, how?

Thanks,

Istvan



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Re: plasma 5 settings in Leap 42.2

gumb
On 18/06/17 17:32, Istvan Gabor wrote:
> Hello:
>
> Without saying anything about Leap 42.2's default plasma desktop,
> just a list of questions. I have Leap 42.2 with deafult KDE desktop
> (plasma 5?):
>
> -desktop panel: how to see hight in pixels?

That info was removed. What you can do as a workaround: let's say you
want the height to be 32 pixels, open some app like Dolphin, click on
the Window's settings menu button (top-left), go to More Actions,
Special Window Settings, click the Size radio button and enter the
vertical screen size minus the panel height you desire. OK the dialog.
Position the application to the top of the screen. Now adjust your panel
height to the bottom of the application. You could also use the KRuler
utility but I'd say that's more fiddly.

> -how to set start menu: most frequently used application?
> (not favorites and recently used)

Feature only just added to most recent Plasma release. Not sure if that
will be in Leap 42.3. You'd have to switch to the relevant KDE repo.

> -how to disable KDE wallett service window popping up
> (eg. every time after vivaldi startup)

Depends on your circumstances. If you're willing to compromise on the
security aspects you can select the classic blowfish method, click Next
and set to a blank password. But obviously not a good idea if you want
to prevent anybody ever accessing personal data or passwords in
KWallet-protected apps on your machine.

> -where is screen saver settings? (not screen locker)

Screen savers were removed a few releases ago. In part due to being
deemed irrelevant by today's demands of power-saving, etc. The one
things you can still achieve with current Plasma, under that Screen
Locker section, is the setting of a wallpaper slideshow which
effectively acts like a screensaver as soon as the screen locks.

> -plasma system settings - search field: where is clear search
> field button?

I don't know what you mean exactly - a global search within System
Settings? In mine, it's right there top-right when you open it. But it's
misleading, not technically a search, it's more of a filter, so there's
no need for a button since if the term you search for exists it
highlights the settings categories below that contain it.

> -kde5/plasma5 system settings: help/about doesn't show version number,
> why, how do I get it?

Under Help -> System Settings -> Version tab. Or open the KInfocentre
for KDE Plasma/Frameworks versions.

> -how to disable the menu button at the right edge of the bottom panel?

Lock widgets.

> -panel add widgets looks very ugly - very wide column at the left edge
> of the screen with HUGE ugly icons and big fonts - is this normal?

You'd have to show us a screenshot.

For some other questions, a screenshot or more info required.

gumb

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Re: plasma 5 settings in Leap 42.2

Istvan Gabor-3
.On Sun, 18 Jun 2017 18:09:23 +0200, gumb wrote:

Thank you for your detailed answers.

> On 18/06/17 17:32, Istvan Gabor wrote:
>> Hello:
>> Without saying anything about Leap 42.2's default plasma desktop,
>> just a list of questions. I have Leap 42.2 with deafult KDE desktop
>> (plasma 5?):
>> -desktop panel: how to see hight in pixels?
>
> That info was removed.

In KDE3 it was not only shown but the pixel number could be set/typed
directly.
In KDE4 the number could not be typed directly but still was shown.
In KDE5 it isn't even shown.
This is what KDE devs call progress.
In KDE6 the panel size will be fixed, I suppose.

What you can do as a workaround: let's say you
> want the height to be 32 pixels, open some app like Dolphin, click on
> the Window's settings menu button (top-left), go to More Actions,
> Special Window Settings, click the Size radio button and enter the
> vertical screen size minus the panel height you desire. OK the
> dialog.
> Position the application to the top of the screen. Now adjust your
> panel height to the bottom of the application. You could also use the
> KRuler utility but I'd say that's more fiddly.

OK, I want different systems to have the same lookout.
How am I supposed to set the same panel size for different logins
on different systems if I don't know the pixel number?
Is there a config file somewhere that includes that number?

>> -how to disable KDE wallett service window popping up
>> (eg. every time after vivaldi startup)

> Depends on your circumstances. If you're willing to compromise on the
> security aspects you can select the classic blowfish method, click
> Next and set to a blank password. But obviously not a good idea if
> you
> want to prevent anybody ever accessing personal data or passwords in
> KWallet-protected apps on your machine.

I understand the risk and I don't let the apps (eg vivaldi) to handle
passwords or info like that. I don't want to use kwallet at all.
I don't want to set up an empty password, I want to turn off/disable
kwallet completely. How? Why the desktop is forcing me to use it?

>> -where is screen saver settings? (not screen locker)
>
> Screen savers were removed a few releases ago. In part due to being
> deemed irrelevant by today's demands of power-saving, etc. The one
> things you can still achieve with current Plasma, under that Screen
> Locker section, is the setting of a wallpaper slideshow which
> effectively acts like a screensaver as soon as the screen locks.

It would be OK, if I could set screen locker without password and could
set blank screen (which I use for screen saver).
I want the screen go blank after x minutes but be able to wake it up
without entering password. Is it serious that it is not
possible anymore?

>> -plasma system settings - search field: where is clear search
>> field button?
> I don't know what you mean exactly - a global search within System
> Settings? In mine, it's right there top-right when you open it. But
> it's misleading, not technically a search, it's more of a filter, so
> there's no need for a button since if the term you search for exists
> it highlights the settings categories below that contain it.

OK, it's a filter. E.g. if I want to find among the settings e.g.
"keyboard"
I type there "keyboard" and only the settings which have "keyboard"
setting
options remain black, others become gray. If I want to filter for
another
word, I have to delete the content (the word "keyboard") of the filter
box
manually. There used to be a small icon (x) next to the filter box and
clicking
it emptied the filter box. Plasma 5 doesn't have this small icon.


>> -kde5/plasma5 system settings: help/about doesn't show version
>> number,
>> why, how do I get it?
>
> Under Help -> System Settings -> Version tab. Or open the KInfocentre
> for KDE Plasma/Frameworks versions.

I will check this one.

>> -how to disable the menu button at the right edge of the bottom
>> panel?
>
> Lock widgets.
>
>> -panel add widgets looks very ugly - very wide column at the left
>> edge
>> of the screen with HUGE ugly icons and big fonts - is this normal?
>
> You'd have to show us a screenshot.
>
> For some other questions, a screenshot or more info required.

Before I send screenshots I want to be sure that I have an official
clean plasma 5 installation, to make sure that KDE4 or KDE3 packages
are
not interfering with plasma 5. Therefore I installed a new openSUSE
Leap 42.2 with minimal X configuration and some gtk/gnome stuff.
Before I install KDE/plasma I want to know how to do it or what to
install. I have only the following repos enabled:

10 | repo-non-oss        | openSUSE-Leap-42.2-Non-Oss
11 | repo-oss            | openSUSE-Leap-42.2-Oss
14 | repo-update         | openSUSE-Leap-42.2-Update-Oss
15 | repo-update-non-oss | openSUSE-Leap-42.2-Update-Non-Oss
  1 | Packman             | Packman

In YaST Package Manager Patterns window I see "Plasma 5 Desktop"
and "KDE Desktop Environment" patterns. Which one do I have to set
for installing a clean KDE5/plasma5 DE?

Thanks,

Istvan


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Felix Miata-3
Istvan Gabor composed on 2017-06-18 22:33 (UTC+0200):
.
> On, 18 Jun 2017 18:09:23 +0200, gumb wrote:
.
>> Istvan Gabor wrote:
.
>>> -desktop panel: how to see hight in pixels?
.
>> That info was removed.
.
> In KDE3 it was not only shown but the pixel number could be set/typed
> directly.
> In KDE4 the number could not be typed directly but still was shown.
> In KDE5 it isn't even shown.
> This is what KDE devs call progress.
> In KDE6 the panel size will be fixed, I suppose.
.
It still is displayed in TDE UI, but only changeable via mouse, either slider or
scroller, which I think may be a bug. The cursor/focus is in the scroller box.
...
> OK, I want different systems to have the same lookout.
> How am I supposed to set the same panel size for different logins
> on different systems if I don't know the pixel number?
> Is there a config file somewhere that includes that number?.
In a fresh Plasma installation on a 1920x1080 screen:

        ~/.config/plasmashellrc
                [PlasmaViews][Panel 2[Horizontal1920]
                thickness=##

Whether Panel 2 applies after other changes are made or with used or updated
user accounts I have no idea.
.
>>> -where is screen saver settings? (not screen locker)
.
> It would be OK, if I could set screen locker without password and could
> set blank screen (which I use for screen saver).
> I want the screen go blank after x minutes but be able to wake it up
> without entering password. Is it serious that it is not
> possible anymore?
.
systemsettings ->
        power management ->
                screen energy saving switch off after x minutes

Basic stuff like iso standard date format and bold UI text remain somewhere
between difficult and impossible to configure at all in v5. :-(
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gumb
On 19/06/17 00:01, Felix Miata wrote:
> It still is displayed in TDE UI, but only changeable via mouse, either slider or
> scroller, which I think may be a bug. The cursor/focus is in the scroller box.
> ...
> <snip>
 >
> In a fresh Plasma installation on a 1920x1080 screen:
>
> ~/.config/plasmashellrc
> [PlasmaViews][Panel 2[Horizontal1920]
> thickness=##
>
> Whether Panel 2 applies after other changes are made or with used or updated
> user accounts I have no idea.

In my plasmashellrc file I have:

[PlasmaViews][Panel 3][Horizontal1280]
panelVisibility=0
thickness=28

I don't know why it is panel 3 (I have only one, though I may have
messed up the configuration a couple of times on initial installation,
perhaps that explains the numbering), and neither do I understand why it
shows visibility as 0 when it is permanently visible. Indeed, I don't
know if this really is the file called by plasma to read the panel
height configuration or just some vestige of previous tinkering.

gumb

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On 18/06/17 22:33, Istvan Gabor wrote:

>
> Thank you for your detailed answers.
>
>>> Hello:
>>> Without saying anything about Leap 42.2's default plasma desktop,
>>> just a list of questions. I have Leap 42.2 with deafult KDE desktop
>>> (plasma 5?):
>>> -desktop panel: how to see hight in pixels?
>
> In KDE3 it was not only shown but the pixel number could be set/typed
> directly.
> In KDE4 the number could not be typed directly but still was shown.
> In KDE5 it isn't even shown.
> This is what KDE devs call progress.
> In KDE6 the panel size will be fixed, I suppose.

I don't think it was removed maliciously. I may be wrong, but I have
some vague recollection of a developer working on it saying that it was
more problematic to implement than one might imagine, perhaps because it
was a hack in previous versions or because the new frameworks create
complexities, I don't recall.

> What you can do as a workaround: let's say you
>> want the height to be 32 pixels, open some app like Dolphin, click on
>> the Window's settings menu button (top-left), go to More Actions,
>> Special Window Settings, click the Size radio button and enter the
>> vertical screen size minus the panel height you desire. OK the dialog.
>> Position the application to the top of the screen. Now adjust your
>> panel height to the bottom of the application. You could also use the
>> KRuler utility but I'd say that's more fiddly.
>
> OK, I want different systems to have the same lookout.
> How am I supposed to set the same panel size for different logins
> on different systems if I don't know the pixel number?
> Is there a config file somewhere that includes that number?

Using the same principle as I describe above, but more simply, you can
look at the Special Window Settings of any maximized app and the current
vertical height minus your panel will already be displayed there.

>>> -how to disable KDE wallett service window popping up
>>> (eg. every time after vivaldi startup)
>
>> Depends on your circumstances. If you're willing to compromise on the
>> security aspects you can select the classic blowfish method, click
>> Next and set to a blank password. But obviously not a good idea if you
>> want to prevent anybody ever accessing personal data or passwords in
>> KWallet-protected apps on your machine.
>
> I understand the risk and I don't let the apps (eg vivaldi) to handle
> passwords or info like that. I don't want to use kwallet at all.
> I don't want to set up an empty password, I want to turn off/disable
> kwallet completely. How? Why the desktop is forcing me to use it?

I don't use KWallet and it was bugging me too after I upgraded to
Plasma5 but the version in KDE4 also required an instruction to keep out
the way too. Upon first instance of the 'wizard' appearing, say when
connecting to a wireless network, ISTR having to select 'insecure, no
password' after which it would keep quiet. Since I conceded and set a
blank password the other week I've been bothered no more.

> I type there "keyboard" and only the settings which have "keyboard" setting
> options remain black, others become gray. If I want to filter for another
> word, I have to delete the content (the word "keyboard") of the filter box
> manually. There used to be a small icon (x) next to the filter box and
> clicking
> it emptied the filter box. Plasma 5 doesn't have this small icon.

It shows as soon as I begin typing something in the box.

> Before I send screenshots I want to be sure that I have an official
> clean plasma 5 installation, to make sure that KDE4 or KDE3 packages are
> not interfering with plasma 5. Therefore I installed a new openSUSE
> Leap 42.2 with minimal X configuration and some gtk/gnome stuff.
> Before I install KDE/plasma I want to know how to do it or what to
> install. I have only the following repos enabled:
>
> 10 | repo-non-oss        | openSUSE-Leap-42.2-Non-Oss
> 11 | repo-oss            | openSUSE-Leap-42.2-Oss
> 14 | repo-update         | openSUSE-Leap-42.2-Update-Oss
> 15 | repo-update-non-oss | openSUSE-Leap-42.2-Update-Non-Oss
>   1 | Packman             | Packman

The repos are correct but, again from some vague recollection that I may
have confused, I seem to remember that whilst your method may have been
fine in the past, a discussion a while back suggested adding KDE/Plasma
on top of a minimal installation with current openSUSE could be
problematic. Perhaps it doesn't provide all the hooks that assure a
smooth Plasma experience.

I've only ever done a standard KDE install. Perhaps you'd be best off
doing it that way around, selecting Plasma at installation and then
adding KDE3 afterwards. You may have simply changed your icons but your
mention of 'black' system settings above makes me wonder if you've got a
less-than-optimal bunch of configurations. I use the standard Breeze
(light and dark) themes on a couple of machines and the System Settings
icons are full colour. Some previous Plasma5 defaults had some fairly
ghastly monochrome Breeze icons in some places (e.g. Dolphin toolbars,
sidebars and mimetype icons) that didn't aid with recognition or
selection. Later versions have been better configured by default with
more easily identifiable icons. Perhaps that's the sort of thing you get
from a default Plasma install but not necessarily when you add it manually?

gumb

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Felix Miata-3
gumb composed on 2017-06-19 00:58 (UTC+0200):
.
> On 18/06/17 22:33, Istvan Gabor wrote:
.
>> In KDE3 it was not only shown but the pixel number could be set/typed
>> directly.
>> In KDE4 the number could not be typed directly but still was shown.
>> In KDE5 it isn't even shown.
>> This is what KDE devs call progress.
>> In KDE6 the panel size will be fixed, I suppose.
.
> I don't think it was removed maliciously. I may be wrong, but I have
> some vague recollection of a developer working on it saying that it was
> more problematic to implement than one might imagine, perhaps because it
> was a hack in previous versions or because the new frameworks create
> complexities, I don't recall..
I think this is another case where the regression is a result of features being
dropped in the major QT releases on which KDE depend. One such is it became
impossible in v5 to specify bold in the (dismal[1]) font selection dialogs:
https://bugreports.qt.io/browse/QTBUG-57736

[1] https://bugreports.qt.io/browse/QTBUG-45522
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Felix Miata-3
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Istvan Gabor composed on 2017-06-18 17:32 (UTC+0200):
 .
> -measurement units: set to metric (not country)
> -time format: set to YYYY-MM-DD, not country, because I don't
> know which country uses this
.
I think these two may somehow be related. See:
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=340982
.
> -kde5/plasma5 system settings: help/about doesn't show version number,
> why, how do I get it?
.
I think you're stuck with zypper, yast or .help about. from the various
applications.
.
> -how to set font color to real black 0/0/0 rgb, not gray) on the panel,
> in the start menu, in the panel clock
.
I can't tell how many places you are referring to here. ISTR in systemsettings
-> colors setting all the almost blacks to real black covered everywhere that I
could tell.
.
> -how to prevent plasma5 to mess up KDE3 session (it even messes up kde3
> session of users who never used/logged in to plasma5)
.
I don't install both session types on the same machine. KDE3 needs qt5ct, which
is incompatible with Plasma 5.
.
> -how to fix missing panel icons, many application icon on the panel is
> not shown, only empty space at their supposed locations, this depends
> also on icon them, but breeze (deafult?) is affected too..
This I too would like to know. Maybe it has to do with trying to use Oxygen
theming, which is broken and wontfix.
.
> Finally, is it feasible to install KDE4 instead of this default thing,
> something that was available in 13.1 and 13.2? If yes, how?.
Have you considered mixing Plasma 5 with TDE instead?
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On Mon, 19 Jun 2017 00:58:34 +0200, gumb wrote:
> On 18/06/17 22:33, Istvan Gabor wrote:
>> Thank you for your detailed answers.
>>

[SNIP]

>> I type there "keyboard" and only the settings which have "keyboard"
>> setting
>> options remain black, others become gray. If I want to filter for
>> another
>> word, I have to delete the content (the word "keyboard") of the
>> filter box
>> manually. There used to be a small icon (x) next to the filter box
>> and clicking
>> it emptied the filter box. Plasma 5 doesn't have this small icon.
>
> It shows as soon as I begin typing something in the box.

Thanks, I see it.

>> Before I send screenshots I want to be sure that I have an official
>> clean plasma 5 installation, to make sure that KDE4 or KDE3 packages
>> are
>> not interfering with plasma 5. Therefore I installed a new openSUSE
>> Leap 42.2 with minimal X configuration and some gtk/gnome stuff.
>> Before I install KDE/plasma I want to know how to do it or what to
>> install. I have only the following repos enabled:
>> 10 | repo-non-oss        | openSUSE-Leap-42.2-Non-Oss
>> 11 | repo-oss            | openSUSE-Leap-42.2-Oss
>> 14 | repo-update         | openSUSE-Leap-42.2-Update-Oss
>> 15 | repo-update-non-oss | openSUSE-Leap-42.2-Update-Non-Oss
>>   1 | Packman             | Packman
>
> The repos are correct but, again from some vague recollection that I
> may have confused, I seem to remember that whilst your method may
> have
> been fine in the past, a discussion a while back suggested adding
> KDE/Plasma on top of a minimal installation with current openSUSE
> could be problematic. Perhaps it doesn't provide all the hooks that
> assure a smooth Plasma experience.

OK, I installed KDE desktop environment and Plasma 5 Desktop patterns.
This haven't included kdm, I have to install it separately.
It seems I have I have now a KDE plasma 5 desktop, with
kdm4 login/desktop manager. I couldn't find plasma 5 login manager.

Here are some some questions (old and new) with screenshots:

- Task manager tooltips are way too big. Can I make them smaller?
The best woold be a simple one-line tooltip with text only.
http://www.susepaste.org/30175148

- Add panel widgets is way too big and wide too. Can I set it to show
smaller icons/boxes?
http://www.susepaste.org/54474249

- Old, well structured start menu categories are missing.
There are no submenus where used to be. For example multimedia
menu used to have several submenus like Volume manager, Video
Players, Audio Players, Audio Editors etc.
http://www.susepaste.org/44747970

- How can I turn off translucency for switch user?
(Translucency for windows is turned off already.)
http://www.susepaste.org/21234547

- How can I disable Alt+F2 search box sticking to the
upper edge of the screen?

- Configure desktop (start menu/settings/configure desktop) and
dolphin file manager (start menu/system/dolphin) are not added to
recent application ins start menu? How to make them added to there?

- How can I set spectacle to save in jpeg/jpg as default, not png.

- How can I disable keyboard layout switch popup icon?
http://www.susepaste.org/26934915

Thanks,

Istvan


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On 22/06/17 21:32, Istvan Gabor wrote:
> OK, I installed KDE desktop environment and Plasma 5 Desktop patterns.
> This haven't included kdm, I have to install it separately.
> It seems I have I have now a KDE plasma 5 desktop, with
> kdm4 login/desktop manager. I couldn't find plasma 5 login manager.

The default login manager on Plasma5 is sddm.

> Here are some some questions (old and new) with screenshots:
>
> - Task manager tooltips are way too big. Can I make them smaller?
> The best woold be a simple one-line tooltip with text only.
> http://www.susepaste.org/30175148

It appears that - in the GUI at least - you can only turn off taskbar
tooltips altogether, under Desktop Behaviour -> Workspace -> Show
Informational Tips (or by right-clicking a taskbar entry, going to Task
Manager Settings -> Show Tooltips).

> - Add panel widgets is way too big and wide too. Can I set it to show
> smaller icons/boxes?
> http://www.susepaste.org/54474249

Looks normal to me. Same as on my system anyway. It's something you only
use momentarily though.

> - Old, well structured start menu categories are missing.
> There are no submenus where used to be. For example multimedia
> menu used to have several submenus like Volume manager, Video
> Players, Audio Players, Audio Editors etc.
> http://www.susepaste.org/44747970

If you right-click the menu, go to Alternatives and choose the older
Application Launcher, do you still not get categories (even after
configuring that style of menu)?

> - How can I turn off translucency for switch user?
> (Translucency for windows is turned off already.)
> http://www.susepaste.org/21234547

Never seen this before. Just checked, same on mine too. Don't know where
that's set.

> - Configure desktop (start menu/settings/configure desktop) and
> dolphin file manager (start menu/system/dolphin) are not added to
> recent application ins start menu? How to make them added to there?

The Recent Apps don't seem to populate correctly on my system. Perhaps
it requires re-logging in.

> - How can I set spectacle to save in jpeg/jpg as default, not png.

Under Spectacle's Preferences -> Save Options, it says that PNG is
always set as default. Have you tried appending ".jpg" there in the
Filename field to see if it adheres to your choice?

> - How can I disable keyboard layout switch popup icon?
> http://www.susepaste.org/26934915

Even by KDE standards you have some extremely esoteric preferences. I
can only imagine that if controls or overrides for some of things did
exist, it would be in config files, not the GUI. But I've not delved
into those much.

gumb

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