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Örn Hansen

I'm wondering if I got "kicked" off because I sent some letters with
attachments, to the wrong recepients.

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Martin Lasarsch
On Wednesday 09 August 2006 22:24, Orn E. Hansen wrote:
> I'm wondering if I got "kicked" off because I sent some letters with
> attachments, to the wrong recepients.

nope .... but yes, please don't send attachments to the list if possible. Yes,
i should send you a mail before.

I send you already a private msg, but maybe also some form the list would like
to know whats the status is ....

- pt is ready, we will announce it later when the missing interwiki entry for
pt is ready ... thanks Hugo

- greek (el) is ready in staging, i hope it will be synced today, thanks
Aristidis

remark: after a wiki is synced to the outside, i send an email to the
maintainer to check it. If the maintainer says it's ok, we will announce it.
Depends on how much work a maintainer wants to do after syncing, or how messy
i was, it could take a few days/weeks until we announce it.

is is the next on my list, i guess i will finish it next week.

Sorry for the delay, i work on the wikis in the order i got the pages. And
yes, i have also to do some other stuff :-)

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On 8/10/06, Martin Lasarsch <[hidden email]> wrote:
> - pt is ready, we will announce it later when the missing interwiki entry for
> pt is ready ... thanks Hugo

If possible, I would prefer if we could fix the "User" translation
before making the annoucement. Having "User" translated as "Usuário"
is way to weird for a portuguese.

Regards,

Hugo Costelha
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Marcus Rückert
On 2006-08-10 12:22:34 +0100, Hugo Costelha wrote:
> On 8/10/06, Martin Lasarsch <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >- pt is ready, we will announce it later when the missing interwiki entry for
> >pt is ready ... thanks Hugo
>
> If possible, I would prefer if we could fix the "User" translation
> before making the annoucement. Having "User" translated as "Usuário"
> is way to weird for a portuguese.

pt vs pt-br again?

that translation is upstream in mediawiki like that.

darix

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On 8/10/06, Marcus Rueckert <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On 2006-08-10 12:22:34 +0100, Hugo Costelha wrote:
> > On 8/10/06, Martin Lasarsch <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > >- pt is ready, we will announce it later when the missing interwiki entry for
> > >pt is ready ... thanks Hugo
> >
> > If possible, I would prefer if we could fix the "User" translation
> > before making the annoucement. Having "User" translated as "Usuário"
> > is way to weird for a portuguese.
>
> pt vs pt-br again?
>
> that translation is upstream in mediawiki like that.
>

I imagined that, but I am sure there is something that can be done to
have the wiki text correct, right?

This is not a pt versus anyother language discussion. we are talking
about the Portuguese wiki, so it is expected that it is written in
Portuguese, it is as simple as that.
Please do not turn this into a discussion.

And of course, I am here to help any way I can to have everything working fine.

Regards,

Hugo Costelha
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Marcus Rückert
On 2006-08-10 13:04:57 +0100, Hugo Costelha wrote:
> I imagined that, but I am sure there is something that can be done to
> have the wiki text correct, right?
>
> This is not a pt versus anyother language discussion. we are talking
> about the Portuguese wiki, so it is expected that it is written in
> Portuguese, it is as simple as that.
> Please do not turn this into a discussion.
>
> And of course, I am here to help any way I can to have everything working fine.

my points are:
1. do you know why it is like that in mediawiki? if not can you try to
   find out?
2. this is a problem and _has_ to be discussed.
   we want to stay as close as possible to wikipedia, to make it as easy
   as possible to work with our wiki, if you already know wikipedia.

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On 8/10/06, Marcus Rueckert <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On 2006-08-10 13:04:57 +0100, Hugo Costelha wrote:
> > I imagined that, but I am sure there is something that can be done to
> > have the wiki text correct, right?
> >
> > This is not a pt versus anyother language discussion. we are talking
> > about the Portuguese wiki, so it is expected that it is written in
> > Portuguese, it is as simple as that.
> > Please do not turn this into a discussion.
> >
> > And of course, I am here to help any way I can to have everything working fine.
>
> my points are:
> 1. do you know why it is like that in mediawiki? if not can you try to
>    find out?
> 2. this is a problem and _has_ to be discussed.
>    we want to stay as close as possible to wikipedia, to make it as easy
>    as possible to work with our wiki, if you already know wikipedia.
>

I have to say, that although I made some readings in wikipedia, I am
not an editor of wikipedia itself.

Given what you said, I took a look at wikimedia and wikipedia. In
Wikipedia they group both languages and ask people to detail the
lexical differences whenever they appear (see
http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Boas_vindas_aos_estrangeiros).
If we start everything right from the beggining, there is no need to
mix things. And there is no need of a mix in order to have PT taking
advantage of PT_br and vice-versa. And above all, trust me, the
differences are too much.


Wikimedia itself differenciates PT from PT_br, and it seems that most
of the things are in portuguese, and the ones that are in brazillian
portuguese are being translated to portuguese. So you should not have
problems concerning this matter.


Particularly concerning the "User" word, I advise you to look at the
beggining of http://svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/languages/MessagesPt.php
. Here they have the following:

----------------------------------> CODE CUT
        NS_USER             => 'Usuário',
        NS_USER_TALK        => 'Usuário_Discussão',
/*
        Above entries are for PT_br. The following entries should
    be used instead. But:

     DO NOT USE THOSE ENTRIES WITHOUT MIGRATING STUFF ON
     WIKIMEDIA WEB SERVERS FIRST !! You will just break a lot
     of links 8-)

        NS_USER             => 'Utilizador', # 2
        NS_USER_TALK        => 'Utilizador_Discussão', # 3
*/
<---------------------------------- CODE CUT

I have not digged it much, but it seems that if we make that change
now, we will better prepared for the future, i.e., we will not have
the same problem that they have, since we still have just a few links
with "Usuário" instead of "Utilizador". If we do not change know, it
will be much more difficult later in the process.

Comments?

Hugo Costelha
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Hi,

What is the status regarding the "Usuário" to "Utilzador" thing
concerning the PT wiki? Bitwise, that is the only thing still missing
fot it to be publicly announced, right?

Hugo Costelha
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