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Use of suse logo [was: Zypper Cheat Sheet]

gregfreemyer
On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 1:44 AM, Arun Khan<[hidden email]> wrote:
> On Wednesday 12 Aug 2009, Juan De Vincenzo wrote:
<snip>
> Thanks and great job!
>
>> Also, please let me know if for any reason I infringed any licenses
>> or anything, since as you can see I included the OpenSUSE logo. Hope
>> it is ok.
>
> Logos are usually copy righted and cannot be used without specific
> consent from the owner.  To be on the safe side I would suggest you
> remove them.

What are the rules for the opensuse community using the opensuse logo?

I seriously hope the logo can remain on these pdfs.  They are a
quality piece of support literature.  And it is now being hosted on
the opensuse wiki which has the logo all over it.

Is there a way to submit them to the opensuse board etc. for approval
to use the logo?

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Re: Use of suse logo [was: Zypper Cheat Sheet]

Andreas Jaeger-5
On Friday 14 August 2009 14:16:10 Greg Freemyer wrote:

> On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 1:44 AM, Arun Khan<[hidden email]> wrote:
> > On Wednesday 12 Aug 2009, Juan De Vincenzo wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> > Thanks and great job!
> >
> >> Also, please let me know if for any reason I infringed any licenses
> >> or anything, since as you can see I included the OpenSUSE logo. Hope
> >> it is ok.
> >
> > Logos are usually copy righted and cannot be used without specific
> > consent from the owner.  To be on the safe side I would suggest you
> > remove them.
>
> What are the rules for the opensuse community using the opensuse logo?
See http://news.opensuse.org/2009/03/02/opensuse-trademark-guidelines-
released/
> I seriously hope the logo can remain on these pdfs.  They are a
> quality piece of support literature.  And it is now being hosted on
> the opensuse wiki which has the logo all over it.
>
> Is there a way to submit them to the opensuse board etc. for approval
> to use the logo?

Yes, see above.

I think in this specific case, ask on the opensuse-project mailing list if the
policy is not clear (haven't checked it myself),

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Re: Use of suse logo [was: Zypper Cheat Sheet]

gregfreemyer
On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 10:07 AM, Andreas Jaeger<[hidden email]> wrote:

> On Friday 14 August 2009 14:16:10 Greg Freemyer wrote:
>> On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 1:44 AM, Arun Khan<[hidden email]> wrote:
>> > On Wednesday 12 Aug 2009, Juan De Vincenzo wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>> > Thanks and great job!
>> >
>> >> Also, please let me know if for any reason I infringed any licenses
>> >> or anything, since as you can see I included the OpenSUSE logo. Hope
>> >> it is ok.
>> >
>> > Logos are usually copy righted and cannot be used without specific
>> > consent from the owner.  To be on the safe side I would suggest you
>> > remove them.
>>
>> What are the rules for the opensuse community using the opensuse logo?
>
> See http://news.opensuse.org/2009/03/02/opensuse-trademark-guidelines-
> released/
>> I seriously hope the logo can remain on these pdfs.  They are a
>> quality piece of support literature.  And it is now being hosted on
>> the opensuse wiki which has the logo all over it.
>>
>> Is there a way to submit them to the opensuse board etc. for approval
>> to use the logo?
>
> Yes, see above.
>
> I think in this specific case, ask on the opensuse-project mailing list if the
> policy is not clear (haven't checked it myself),
>
> Andreas

The actual guideline is at
<http://files.opensuse.org/opensuse/en/5/51/OpenSUSE_Trademark_Guidelines.pdf>

To me it is not clear in this case.  ie. Several use cases are
addressed, but I don't think this one is.  I'll post a question on the
opensuse-project mailing list.

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Re: Use of suse logo [was: Zypper Cheat Sheet]

Brian K. White


Greg Freemyer wrote:

> On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 10:07 AM, Andreas Jaeger<[hidden email]> wrote:
>  
>> On Friday 14 August 2009 14:16:10 Greg Freemyer wrote:
>>    
>>> On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 1:44 AM, Arun Khan<[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>      
>>>> On Wednesday 12 Aug 2009, Juan De Vincenzo wrote:
>>>>        
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>>      
>>>> Thanks and great job!
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>> Also, please let me know if for any reason I infringed any licenses
>>>>> or anything, since as you can see I included the OpenSUSE logo. Hope
>>>>> it is ok.
>>>>>          
>>>> Logos are usually copy righted and cannot be used without specific
>>>> consent from the owner.  To be on the safe side I would suggest you
>>>> remove them.
>>>>        
>>> What are the rules for the opensuse community using the opensuse logo?
>>>      
>> See http://news.opensuse.org/2009/03/02/opensuse-trademark-guidelines-
>> released/
>>    
>>> I seriously hope the logo can remain on these pdfs.  They are a
>>> quality piece of support literature.  And it is now being hosted on
>>> the opensuse wiki which has the logo all over it.
>>>
>>> Is there a way to submit them to the opensuse board etc. for approval
>>> to use the logo?
>>>      
>> Yes, see above.
>>
>> I think in this specific case, ask on the opensuse-project mailing list if the
>> policy is not clear (haven't checked it myself),
>>
>> Andreas
>>    
>
> The actual guideline is at
> <http://files.opensuse.org/opensuse/en/5/51/OpenSUSE_Trademark_Guidelines.pdf>
>
> To me it is not clear in this case.  ie. Several use cases are
> addressed, but I don't think this one is.  I'll post a question on the
> opensuse-project mailing list.
>
> Greg
>  

Perhaps another approach is just write the info directly in the wiki and
let the wiki itself supply the logo naturally.
I don't know how formattable the opensuse wiki is but I know mediawiki
in general does allow for that much formatting by a regular user.
And, I don't know if the opensuse wiki has it, but I know I installed a
simple plugin to my mediawiki that provides a link on every page that
generates a pdf of that page.

Maybe the opensuse wiki doesn't allow for these right now, but they are
small changes that opensuse might be convinced to add, with this
document as the example and justification for the request.

A nice, functional and truly helpful "good thing(tm)" document like that
shouldn't be held up because of issues like the right to incorporate the
logo, and neither should it have to look less snazzy in order to be
allowed to exist.

If it were possible to write it in wiki instead of in office/pdf/etc...
that would solve everything and it would be a more elegant arrangement
with one easily maintainable copy of the data instead of multiple
redundant pdf files that aren't easily editable.

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Re: Use of suse logo [was: Zypper Cheat Sheet]

Juan De Vincenzo
Friday is not the day with the most free time, but I just wanted to
explain that what led me to include the logo there was that I saw it
used and transformed in many websites and personal blogs, I thought it
wouldn't be a problem to include it there, since the contents of the
cheat sheet where taken from the actual Zypper Usage page, I only
changed some of the programs used on the examples but just for the
sake of succintness.

But I asked on my first e-mail because I just wanted to be sure. So,
let's see what they reply is to Greg e-mail.

Aside to Greg, thanks a lot for taking the initiative, I didn't have
the time, plus I wasn't really sure how to present the topic.

Regards for everyone,
Juan

On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 1:05 PM, Brian K. White<[hidden email]> wrote:

>
>
> Greg Freemyer wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 10:07 AM, Andreas Jaeger<[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On Friday 14 August 2009 14:16:10 Greg Freemyer wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 1:44 AM, Arun Khan<[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wednesday 12 Aug 2009, Juan De Vincenzo wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <snip>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks and great job!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also, please let me know if for any reason I infringed any licenses
>>>>>> or anything, since as you can see I included the OpenSUSE logo. Hope
>>>>>> it is ok.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Logos are usually copy righted and cannot be used without specific
>>>>> consent from the owner.  To be on the safe side I would suggest you
>>>>> remove them.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What are the rules for the opensuse community using the opensuse logo?
>>>>
>>>
>>> See http://news.opensuse.org/2009/03/02/opensuse-trademark-guidelines-
>>> released/
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I seriously hope the logo can remain on these pdfs.  They are a
>>>> quality piece of support literature.  And it is now being hosted on
>>>> the opensuse wiki which has the logo all over it.
>>>>
>>>> Is there a way to submit them to the opensuse board etc. for approval
>>>> to use the logo?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, see above.
>>>
>>> I think in this specific case, ask on the opensuse-project mailing list
>>> if the
>>> policy is not clear (haven't checked it myself),
>>>
>>> Andreas
>>>
>>
>> The actual guideline is at
>>
>> <http://files.opensuse.org/opensuse/en/5/51/OpenSUSE_Trademark_Guidelines.pdf>
>>
>> To me it is not clear in this case.  ie. Several use cases are
>> addressed, but I don't think this one is.  I'll post a question on the
>> opensuse-project mailing list.
>>
>> Greg
>>
>
> Perhaps another approach is just write the info directly in the wiki and let
> the wiki itself supply the logo naturally.
> I don't know how formattable the opensuse wiki is but I know mediawiki in
> general does allow for that much formatting by a regular user.
> And, I don't know if the opensuse wiki has it, but I know I installed a
> simple plugin to my mediawiki that provides a link on every page that
> generates a pdf of that page.
>
> Maybe the opensuse wiki doesn't allow for these right now, but they are
> small changes that opensuse might be convinced to add, with this document as
> the example and justification for the request.
>
> A nice, functional and truly helpful "good thing(tm)" document like that
> shouldn't be held up because of issues like the right to incorporate the
> logo, and neither should it have to look less snazzy in order to be allowed
> to exist.
>
> If it were possible to write it in wiki instead of in office/pdf/etc... that
> would solve everything and it would be a more elegant arrangement with one
> easily maintainable copy of the data instead of multiple redundant pdf files
> that aren't easily editable.
>
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Re: Use of suse logo [was: Zypper Cheat Sheet]

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On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 10:45 AM, Greg Freemyer<[hidden email]> wrote:

> On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 10:07 AM, Andreas Jaeger<[hidden email]> wrote:
>> On Friday 14 August 2009 14:16:10 Greg Freemyer wrote:
>>> On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 1:44 AM, Arun Khan<[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> > On Wednesday 12 Aug 2009, Juan De Vincenzo wrote:
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>> > Thanks and great job!
>>> >
>>> >> Also, please let me know if for any reason I infringed any licenses
>>> >> or anything, since as you can see I included the OpenSUSE logo. Hope
>>> >> it is ok.
>>> >
>>> > Logos are usually copy righted and cannot be used without specific
>>> > consent from the owner.  To be on the safe side I would suggest you
>>> > remove them.
>>>
>>> What are the rules for the opensuse community using the opensuse logo?
>>
>> See http://news.opensuse.org/2009/03/02/opensuse-trademark-guidelines-
>> released/
>>> I seriously hope the logo can remain on these pdfs.  They are a
>>> quality piece of support literature.  And it is now being hosted on
>>> the opensuse wiki which has the logo all over it.
>>>
>>> Is there a way to submit them to the opensuse board etc. for approval
>>> to use the logo?
>>
>> Yes, see above.
>>
>> I think in this specific case, ask on the opensuse-project mailing list if the
>> policy is not clear (haven't checked it myself),
>>
>> Andreas
>
> The actual guideline is at
> <http://files.opensuse.org/opensuse/en/5/51/OpenSUSE_Trademark_Guidelines.pdf>
>
> To me it is not clear in this case.  ie. Several use cases are
> addressed, but I don't think this one is.  I'll post a question on the
> opensuse-project mailing list.
>
> Greg

Per Michael Loeffler of Novell, this use of the logo falls within the
"fair use" aspect of the guidelines.

..We acknowledge and support your right to make "fair use" of the openSUSE
Marks, and do not mean to suggest with these Guidelines that our permission is
required in such cases...

So it appears there is no need to ask for specific permission to use
the logo on these docs.

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