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Upgrade to 13.1 horror stories

lynn-32
Does anyone else here get the feeling we're not gonna get any?
L x


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Re: Upgrade to 13.1 horror stories

James Knott
lynn wrote:
> Does anyone else here get the feeling we're not gonna get any?

Well, as mentioned in another note, I couldn't even install it on one
system.

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Re: Upgrade to 13.1 horror stories

lynn-32
On Thu, 2013-11-21 at 11:41 -0500, James Knott wrote:
> lynn wrote:
> > Does anyone else here get the feeling we're not gonna get any?
>
> Well, as mentioned in another note, I couldn't even install it on one
> system.
>
That's more like it. It's 12.3 to 13.1 decision day tomorrow over here.
L x


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Re: Upgrade to 13.1 horror stories

Dylan-13
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On 21/11/13 16:39, lynn wrote:
> Does anyone else here get the feeling we're not gonna get any?
> L x

The lack of proprietary nvidia drivers (and hence CUDA) means I won't
even be trying it yet...

Dx
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Re: Upgrade to 13.1 horror stories

Bernhard Voelker
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On 11/21/2013 05:39 PM, lynn wrote:
> Does anyone else here get the feeling we're not gonna get any?

No, using it happily since day -5 ;-)

Have a nice day,
Berny
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Re: Upgrade to 13.1 horror stories

lynn-32
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On Thu, 2013-11-21 at 16:51 +0000, Dylan wrote:
> On 21/11/13 16:39, lynn wrote:
> > Does anyone else here get the feeling we're not gonna get any?
> > L x
>
> The lack of proprietary nvidia drivers (and hence CUDA) means I won't
> even be trying it yet...
>
> Dx

OK. Tks. Keep 'em coming.
L x


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Re: Upgrade to 13.1 horror stories

Clayton-29
On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 5:53 PM, lynn wrote:

> On Thu, 2013-11-21 at 16:51 +0000, Dylan wrote:
>> On 21/11/13 16:39, lynn wrote:
>> > Does anyone else here get the feeling we're not gonna get any?
>> > L x
>>
>> The lack of proprietary nvidia drivers (and hence CUDA) means I won't
>> even be trying it yet...
>>
>> Dx
>
> OK. Tks. Keep 'em coming.
> L x

I've got it running on my tablet/laptop (i3, 4GB, Intel video), and so
far it's been problem free.  It's a clean install and I've installed
KDE and Gnome. Both WMs are working smoothly (I added the Tablet
pattern as well).

Things that aren't working - and are known are.. Bluetooth (bluez5)
isn't 100% yet - it works OK with Gnome, but not so well in KDE... I
still cannot properly pair my BT keyboard, but this is the same in all
distros right now.  Power management isn't working right on the 3.11
kernel. I've bumped to 3.12 KOTD, but haven't been able to do basic
things like dim the screen yet.

These are MINOR issues... I wouldn't consider them showstoppers or
horror stories at all.  This release is working very smooth right from
initial install.

I haven't yet upgraded (prob do a clean install) on my main machine
because the NVidia driver repo isn't ready and I can't be bothered to
build my own driver... ie, I can wait :-)

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Re: Upgrade to 13.1 horror stories

Claudio ML
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Il 21/11/2013 17:53, Bernhard Voelker ha scritto:
> On 11/21/2013 05:39 PM, lynn wrote:
>> Does anyone else here get the feeling we're not gonna get any?
>
> No, using it happily since day -5 ;-)
>
> Have a nice day,
> Berny
Investigating better before say anything, but just 10 minutes ago, after
a reboot i have: network.service failed, postfix main.cf changed...

Better testing is in progress anyway.... soon to tell if there is some
problems or not.

Claudio.

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Re: Upgrade to 13.1 horror stories

Christopher Myers
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On a positive and promising note, I couldn't get 12.3 to install on my HP NC6400 at home (the installer would freeze a few seconds into the boot,) but 13.1 went fine, and seems to be working better than 12.2 on it performance-wise so far :)

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Re: Upgrade to 13.1 horror stories

Werner Flamme-2
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[21.11.2013 17:39] [lynn]:
> Does anyone else here get the feeling we're not gonna get any?
> L x

There will be enough, as always ;-)

Today, I did the upgrade on my Thinkpad running Tumbleweed, which is
currently based on 13.1. Some repo adjustements, and everything is
running fine, even after I switched (via YaST2 3.x :-) to grub2.

But that was a simple task - the Thinkpad has Intel graphics, my home
and my office desktop both have nVidia cards, so I'll still wait :-)

Werner
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Re: Upgrade to 13.1 horror stories

Felix Miata-3
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On 2013-11-21 17:39 (GMT+0100) lynn composed:

> Does anyone else here get the feeling we're not gonna get any?

KDE4 users may or may not like post-4.10.5 decorations changes in KWin[1] or
the impact of replacement of Krandr with KScreen[2]. I dislike both, and am
very glad to have Ilya still keeping KDE3 alive.

Panning is still missing[3] as it was in 12.3, and in 12.2 without
appropriate home repos enabled.

Those who want or need to keep a NIC named eth0 may have some manual tweaking
to do.[4]

Users cannot be made passwordless WRT traditional login (aka on a vtty) with
passwd command or in YaST2.[5]

Applications may get stuck on the Plasma task bar at session restore time.[6]

UI bits may be missing in KDE running GTK apps.[7]

[1] https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=325286
[2] https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=317929
[3] https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=39949
[4]
http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames/
[5] https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=833253
[6] https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=320561 
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=847479
[7] https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=843086
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Tumbleweed to grub2, was: Upgrade to 13.1 horror stories

Patrick Shanahan-2
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* Werner Flamme <[hidden email]> [11-21-13 12:26]:
 [...]
> Today, I did the upgrade on my Thinkpad running Tumbleweed, which is
> currently based on 13.1. Some repo adjustements, and everything is
> running fine, even after I switched (via YaST2 3.x :-) to grub2.
>
> But that was a simple task - the Thinkpad has Intel graphics, my home
> and my office desktop both have nVidia cards, so I'll still wait :-)

Was there any difficulties switching from grub->grub2?

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Re: Tumbleweed to grub2

Werner Flamme-2
[21.11.2013 18:39] [Patrick Shanahan]:

> * Werner Flamme <[hidden email]> [11-21-13 12:26]:
>  [...]
>> Today, I did the upgrade on my Thinkpad running Tumbleweed, which is
>> currently based on 13.1. Some repo adjustements, and everything is
>> running fine, even after I switched (via YaST2 3.x :-) to grub2.
>>
>> But that was a simple task - the Thinkpad has Intel graphics, my home
>> and my office desktop both have nVidia cards, so I'll still wait :-)
>
> Was there any difficulties switching from grub->grub2?

Not at all, Patrick.

In YaST2, I chose Boot Manager, where I selected GRUB2. The appearance
of the applet changed. I klicked on "Options" just to see what is there,
but didn't touch anything. For me, Grub2 is kind of magic, and I'm not a
magician ;-)

A few minutes later, I rebootet the Thinkpad and was greeted with a
significantly other-looking :-) boot screen. I chose the first entry and
everything went fine.

Later, I saw that this entry boots the 3.12.x kernel I still had "on
board" from the old times ;-) when Tumbleweed was based on 12.3 and
provided this kernel version. Chosing the second boot entry (labeled
"options for 13.1") would have offered booting the standard 3.11.x
kernel of openSUSE 13.1, which I did not test yet.

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Werner
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Re: Tumbleweed to grub2

Patrick Shanahan-2
* Werner Flamme <[hidden email]> [11-21-13 12:59]:

> [21.11.2013 18:39] [Patrick Shanahan]:
> > * Werner Flamme <[hidden email]> [11-21-13 12:26]:
> >  [...]
> >> Today, I did the upgrade on my Thinkpad running Tumbleweed, which is
> >> currently based on 13.1. Some repo adjustements, and everything is
> >> running fine, even after I switched (via YaST2 3.x :-) to grub2.
> >>
> >> But that was a simple task - the Thinkpad has Intel graphics, my home
> >> and my office desktop both have nVidia cards, so I'll still wait :-)
> >
> > Was there any difficulties switching from grub->grub2?
>
> Not at all, Patrick.
>
> In YaST2, I chose Boot Manager, where I selected GRUB2. The appearance
> of the applet changed. I klicked on "Options" just to see what is there,
> but didn't touch anything. For me, Grub2 is kind of magic, and I'm not a
> magician ;-)
>
> A few minutes later, I rebootet the Thinkpad and was greeted with a
> significantly other-looking :-) boot screen. I chose the first entry and
> everything went fine.

Thanks, I will probably do the same.  My present system is Tumbleweed from
the start of Tumbleweed and is still booting grub.  But since the upgrade
to 13.1 my preference to boot to runlevel 3 is disreguarded (not so on two
other systems), so I will change soon.
 
> Later, I saw that this entry boots the 3.12.x kernel I still had "on
> board" from the old times ;-) when Tumbleweed was based on 12.3 and
> provided this kernel version. Chosing the second boot entry (labeled
> "options for 13.1") would have offered booting the standard 3.11.x
> kernel of openSUSE 13.1, which I did not test yet.

I have:

zypper ll
# | Name                 | Type    | Repository              
--+----------------------+---------+-------------------------
1 | kernel-devel         | package | openSUSE Current OSS    
2 | kernel-desktop       | package | openSUSE Current OSS    
3 | kernel-desktop-devel | package | openSUSE Current OSS    

rather than continue to deny install of lessor version kernels  :^)

I probably should change as I notice some (few) irregularities that
haven't presented enough concern for discussion, yet :^), but doubt that
they are kernel related.

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Re: Tumbleweed to grub2

Felix Miata-3
On 2013-11-21 13:06 (GMT-0500) Patrick Shanahan composed:

> ...since the upgrade
> to 13.1 my preference to boot to runlevel 3 is disreguarded (not so on two
> other systems)...

Can't imagine why. I have more than a dozen 13.1 installations booting via
Grub Legacy to multiuser.target (aka runlevel 3) rather than graphical.target
(aka runlevel 5). I don't pay attention to which ever wind up specified as
systemd default. All my Grub stanzas end in "3 ". I just backspace twice and
add a 5 if I want to see a GUI login manager before a tty's login prompt.
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Re: Upgrade to 13.1 horror stories

Marco Calistri
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Il 21/11/2013 14:53, Bernhard Voelker ha scritto:
> On 11/21/2013 05:39 PM, lynn wrote:
>> Does anyone else here get the feeling we're not gonna get any?
>
> No, using it happily since day -5 ;-)
>
> Have a nice day,
> Berny

Upgraded from 12.3 to RC2 and beyond and satisfied so far, despite Yast
qt UI error.

But I heard it is having a migration to Ruby then I wait a bit more.

Good Luck!

P.S.>Following signature is from another computer not from my 13.1!
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Re: Upgrade to 13.1 horror stories

imeo
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On Thursday, November 21, 2013 05:39:06 PM lynn wrote:
> Does anyone else here get the feeling we're not gonna get any?
> L x
My Logitech bluetooth mouse sometimes works, sometimes does not,
but seem that it's known bug.
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Re: Upgrade to 13.1 horror stories

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>On Thursday, November 21, 2013 05:39:06 PM lynn wrote:
>> Does anyone else here get the feeling we're not gonna get any?
>> L x
>My Logitech bluetooth mouse sometimes works, sometimes does not,
>but seem that it's known bug.

Gnome should work.  KDE is probably a week or two away.

I don't know a out others.

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Vojtěch Zeisek-2
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Dne Čt 21. listopadu 2013 17:39:06, lynn napsal(a):
> Does anyone else here get the feeling we're not gonna get any?
> L x

No, all upgrades as well as new install were perfectly smooth and easy. No
problems here.
Vojtěch

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Re: Tumbleweed to grub2

Werner Flamme-2
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[21.11.2013 19:06] [Patrick Shanahan]:
>
> Thanks, I will probably do the same.  My present system is Tumbleweed
> from the start of Tumbleweed and is still booting grub.  But since
> the upgrade to 13.1 my preference to boot to runlevel 3 is
> disreguarded (not so on two other systems), so I will change soon.

Do you have a symlink </etc/systemd/system/default.target> pointing to
</usr/lib/systemd/system/runlevel3.target>?


> I have:
>
> zypper ll # | Name                 | Type    | Repository
>  --+----------------------+---------+------------------------- 1 |
> kernel-devel         | package | openSUSE Current OSS 2 |
> kernel-desktop       | package | openSUSE Current OSS 3 |
> kernel-desktop-devel | package | openSUSE Current OSS
>
> rather than continue to deny install of lessor version kernels  :^)

I do not deny it. If they are from Tumbleweed repo, they'll work. And
there are only two repos they may come from on my systems, the
"update-current" und the "Tumbleweed" one. Just two lines in
</etc/zypp/zypp.conf>:

multiversion = provides:multiversion(kernel)
multiversion.kernels = latest,running,oldest

At boot time, you can select which kernel to use, so there may be a
dozen kernels lying around - the only discomfort might be that you have
to tap the "down" arrow key several times until you get to the desired
version ;-)

Werner
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