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This guy _really_ likes kde 4.5

John Perry
...which makes me anxious to see it under opensuse (due in 11.4?).  If
your mailer balks at the length of the link, you'll have to patch it
together, I guess.

1. High performance
2. very stable (16000 bugs fixed since 4.4!)
3. Activities -- he loves it
4. Desktop effects
5. Window tiling
6. Notification area much improved
7. Netbook interface
8. Plasmoids are now very stable and extremely useful
9. Applications are vastly improved and _much_ more stable
10. Good-looking

He expands on each of the reasons in this pdf.

John Perry

10 reasons to make KDE 4.5 your desktop of choice

http://downloads.techrepublic.com.com/thankyou.aspx?&tag=nl.e072&docid=2133471&view=2133471&load=1&authId=171ysSdN7e5/UdEkYYk3UEQSjwbbbg8zFcCM4/VPM0469qGIfeA9sOFckMnndo00

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Re: This guy _really_ likes kde 4.5

Randall Schulz
On Monday September 13 2010, John E. Perry wrote:
> ...which makes me anxious to see it under opensuse (due in 11.4?).
> ...

You don't have to wait for 11.4, it's available for 11.3 and is easy to
install. See [1] for simple instructions.

[1] http://omgsuse.com/content/how-upgrade-kde-45


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John Andersen-2
On 9/13/2010 8:15 PM, Randall R Schulz wrote:

> On Monday September 13 2010, John E. Perry wrote:
>> ...which makes me anxious to see it under opensuse (due in 11.4?).
>> ...
>
> You don't have to wait for 11.4, it's available for 11.3 and is easy to
> install. See [1] for simple instructions.
>
> [1] http://omgsuse.com/content/how-upgrade-kde-45
>
>
>> John Perry
>
>
> Randall Schulz

I agree, just do the upgrade now, instead of waiting.

4.5.1 is pretty slick.  (Although it STILL decided to create a
whole bunch of extra Activities for no obvious reason).

Everything pretty much works.


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Re: This guy _really_ likes kde 4.5

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On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 9:53 PM, John E. Perry <[hidden email]> wrote:

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> http://downloads.techrepublic.com.com/thankyou.aspx?&tag=nl.e072&docid=2133471&view=2133471&load=1&authId=171ysSdN7e5/UdEkYYk3UEQSjwbbbg8zFcCM4/VPM0469qGIfeA9sOFckMnndo00
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Register and allow sharing your contact info to companies for just
reading an article??? ... in which age we live?


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Re: This guy _really_ likes kde 4.5

Larry Stotler
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 9:39 AM, Sunny <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Register and allow sharing your contact info to companies for just
> reading an article??? ... in which age we live?

Yeah, That's kinda BS.
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Re: This guy _really_ likes kde 4.5

Will Stephenson-2
On Tuesday 14 Sep 2010 15:42:48 Larry Stotler wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 9:39 AM, Sunny <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > Register and allow sharing your contact info to companies for just
> > reading an article??? ... in which age we live?
>
> Yeah, That's kinda BS.

The html version is here.
http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/10things/?p=1801&tag=content;leftCol

I wish the author would improve his writing though as it is so poorly
researched as to undermine its conclusion.  Maybe we can get him writing
fluffy press releases though.

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John Perry-4
  On 9/14/2010 11:13 AM, Will Stephenson wrote:
> On Tuesday 14 Sep 2010 15:42:48 Larry Stotler wrote:
>> On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 9:39 AM, Sunny<[hidden email]>  wrote:
>>> Register and allow sharing your contact info to companies for just
>>> reading an article??? ... in which age we live?
>> Yeah, That's kinda BS.
> The html version is here.
> http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/10things/?p=1801&tag=content;leftCol
>
Thanks, Will.  I didn't think about the html version, as I obviously
should have.  It's been a year since I subscribed from work, and I'd
forgotten about the registration thing.
> I wish the author would improve his writing though as it is so poorly
> researched as to undermine its conclusion.  Maybe we can get him writing
> fluffy press releases though.
>
It's my understanding (from previous comments) that he's a
techno-journalist with linux enthusiasm in a Microsoft-centric
environment.  Can you enlarge upon his errors in a short message?

jp

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Re: This guy _really_ likes kde 4.5

Google Mail
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Aren't we still waiting until KDE 4.6 to get a decent multi-monitor
applet which actually remembers resolutions and positions? The
gnome-display-settings applet has done this for quite a while.

I'd love to be using KDE, this release looks excellent but until this
gets fixed its a no-go for me :(

On 14 September 2010 14:42, Larry Stotler <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 9:39 AM, Sunny <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Register and allow sharing your contact info to companies for just
>> reading an article??? ... in which age we live?
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> Yeah, That's kinda BS.
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Re: This guy _really_ likes kde 4.5

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On Tuesday, September 14, 2010 21:30:37 John Perry wrote:
> It's my understanding (from previous comments) that he's a
> techno-journalist with linux enthusiasm in a Microsoft-centric
> environment.  Can you enlarge upon his errors in a short message?

i wouldn't go looking for errors normally, since i like the article as a whole.
still:

"The only way to go a faster route is to adopt a lighter, performance-centric
window manager like Fluxbox or an even lighter weight desktop like Xfce4."
    --i may be mistaken, but i remember fluxbox as much 'lighter' than xfce4.

"You can associate applications or files with Activities so that you have specific
files or instances of applications on a specific activity."
    --can you? if yes, that's new to me.


that's all the (perhaps) mistakes i can spot. not too many, and not too bad, IMO.
he could have mentioned liveCDs, perhaps with a link, at the end.

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Will Stephenson-2
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On Tuesday 14 September 2010 18:19:20 Lester Wade wrote:
> Aren't we still waiting until KDE 4.6 to get a decent multi-monitor
> applet which actually remembers resolutions and positions? The
> gnome-display-settings applet has done this for quite a while.
>
> I'd love to be using KDE, this release looks excellent but until this
> gets fixed its a no-go for me :(

We just fixed this for SLE11SP1 here (not publicly visible yet)
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=630420
and I'm seeing if we can include it in an online update to 11.3.  It does add
new strings though.

Will

> On 14 September 2010 14:42, Larry Stotler <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 9:39 AM, Sunny <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >> Register and allow sharing your contact info to companies for just
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> > Yeah, That's kinda BS.
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Re: This guy _really_ likes kde 4.5

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Hi Will,

Great news! This sounds very promising and I'd love to see it make it into 11.3.

Kind Regards,

Lester

On 14 September 2010 17:39, Will Stephenson <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On Tuesday 14 September 2010 18:19:20 Lester Wade wrote:
>> Aren't we still waiting until KDE 4.6 to get a decent multi-monitor
>> applet which actually remembers resolutions and positions? The
>> gnome-display-settings applet has done this for quite a while.
>>
>> I'd love to be using KDE, this release looks excellent but until this
>> gets fixed its a no-go for me :(
>
> We just fixed this for SLE11SP1 here (not publicly visible yet)
> https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=630420
> and I'm seeing if we can include it in an online update to 11.3.  It does add
> new strings though.
>
> Will
>
>> On 14 September 2010 14:42, Larry Stotler <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> > On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 9:39 AM, Sunny <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> >> Register and allow sharing your contact info to companies for just
>> >> reading an article??? ... in which age we live?
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Scott Jones-6
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On Tuesday 14 September 2010, phanisvara das wrote:

> i wouldn't go looking for errors normally, since i like the article as a
> whole. still:
>
> "The only way to go a faster route is to adopt a lighter,
> performance-centric window manager like Fluxbox or an even lighter weight
> desktop like Xfce4." --i may be mistaken, but i remember fluxbox as much
> 'lighter' than xfce4.

Indeed, Fluxbox is light, but he is correct.  Fluxbox is a window manager,
while Xfce is a desktop environment.


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Rodney Baker-2
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On Wed, 15 Sep 2010 01:49:20 Lester Wade wrote:
> Aren't we still waiting until KDE 4.6 to get a decent multi-monitor
> applet which actually remembers resolutions and positions? The
> gnome-display-settings applet has done this for quite a while.
>
> I'd love to be using KDE, this release looks excellent but until this
> gets fixed its a no-go for me :(
>

Yes, please, and one that allows the primary monitor to be the laptop screen
and the secondary as the projector, instead of *insisiting* that the  VGA
output is the primary monitor and not letting me change that in any way that I
can find... :-(

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Re: This guy _really_ likes kde 4.5

Lubos Lunak
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On Tuesday 14 of September 2010, Lester Wade wrote:
> Aren't we still waiting until KDE 4.6 to get a decent multi-monitor
> applet which actually remembers resolutions and positions? The
> gnome-display-settings applet has done this for quite a while.

 You can instead wait for a several-year-old xorg.conf that remembers
resolutions and positions. Or you can do with a somewhat less old *.sh script
with xrandr commands in ~/.kde4/env .

> I'd love to be using KDE, this release looks excellent but until this
> gets fixed its a no-go for me :(

 This fix, er, I mean feature introduces new translations and as such cannot
be simply added to updates.

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Re: This guy _really_ likes kde 4.5

David C. Rankin
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On 09/13/2010 10:43 PM, John Andersen wrote:

> On 9/13/2010 8:15 PM, Randall R Schulz wrote:
>> On Monday September 13 2010, John E. Perry wrote:
>>> ...which makes me anxious to see it under opensuse (due in 11.4?).
>>> ...
>>
>> You don't have to wait for 11.4, it's available for 11.3 and is easy to
>> install. See [1] for simple instructions.
>>
>> [1] http://omgsuse.com/content/how-upgrade-kde-45
>>
>>
>>> John Perry
>>
>>
>> Randall Schulz
>
> I agree, just do the upgrade now, instead of waiting.
>
> 4.5.1 is pretty slick.  (Although it STILL decided to create a
> whole bunch of extra Activities for no obvious reason).
>
> Everything pretty much works.
>
>

Yep, I posted a while back on 4.5.1. We are seeing some real improvement in
interface usability -- just go change the wallpaper in 4.5.1 and you will see
some real steps in the right direction.

However, just keep an eye out for a dbus issue that brings dolphin to its knees.

<quote>
Dolphin literally stop working for short periods when you interact
with files (mouse over, click, right click). It's a total freeze of the
application and it can take anywhere from 15-20 seconds to respond again.
</quote>

This should be fixed soon if it isn't fixed already.

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Sven Burmeister
Am Mittwoch, 15. September 2010, 20:36:59 schrieb David C. Rankin:
> <quote>
> Dolphin literally stop working for short periods when you interact
> with files (mouse over, click, right click). It's a total freeze of the
> application and it can take anywhere from 15-20 seconds to respond again.
> </quote>
>
> This should be fixed soon if it isn't fixed already.

My guess is that this is not a dolphin but a dbus bug and you need libdbus >=
1.3 to get that fix.

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Sven Burmeister
Am Mittwoch, 15. September 2010, 23:59:15 schrieb Sven Burmeister:

> Am Mittwoch, 15. September 2010, 20:36:59 schrieb David C. Rankin:
> > <quote>
> > Dolphin literally stop working for short periods when you interact
> > with files (mouse over, click, right click). It's a total freeze of the
> > application and it can take anywhere from 15-20 seconds to respond again.
> > </quote>
> >
> > This should be fixed soon if it isn't fixed already.
>
> My guess is that this is not a dolphin but a dbus bug and you need libdbus
> >= 1.3 to get that fix.

Sorry, did not read the line that stated that it is a dbus issue. The hint
regarding 1.3 is valid nevertheless. Not sure whether the dbus devs can be
bothered to backport it to 1.2.x which is shipped with 11.3.

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Lew Wolfgang
  On 09/15/2010 03:01 PM, Sven Burmeister wrote:
> Sorry, did not read the line that stated that it is a dbus issue. The hint
> regarding 1.3 is valid nevertheless. Not sure whether the dbus devs can be
> bothered to backport it to 1.2.x which is shipped with 11.3.
>
> Sven

Sven, can you give us a hand in locating libdbus 1.3?  I've looked but haven't found it anywhere.

Thanks,
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gregfreemyer
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On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 5:59 PM, Sven Burmeister
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> Am Mittwoch, 15. September 2010, 20:36:59 schrieb David C. Rankin:
>> <quote>
>> Dolphin literally stop working for short periods when you interact
>> with files (mouse over, click, right click). It's a total freeze of the
>> application and it can take anywhere from 15-20 seconds to respond again.
>> </quote>
>>
>> This should be fixed soon if it isn't fixed already.
>
> My guess is that this is not a dolphin but a dbus bug and you need libdbus >=
> 1.3 to get that fix.

Just so I understand:

Per http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/dbus#DBus1.3.1

the 1.3.x series is a development series and 1.2.x is the stable
series.  And of course openSUSE 11.3 was released with the stable
1.2.x series.

But 1.2.x is either buggy or lacks features that dolphin for KDE 4.5
relies on.  And unfortunately KDE 4.x effectively relies on dolphin as
its main file manager.

I'm running KDE 4.4 from the 11.3 official repos and I have not
noticed any major bugs with dolphin.  If I upgrade to 4.5, should I
expect dolphin to become unreliable?

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Rajko M.
On Wednesday 15 September 2010 17:25:57 Greg Freemyer wrote:

> If I upgrade to 4.5, should I
> expect dolphin to become unreliable?

Yes.
Complaints usually come after upgrade to 4.5 :(
(I downgraded to 4.4 twice)
Cure is dbus and kernel upgrade.
I used HEAD repo for kernel.
Not sure what dbus package to use.

I located few newer versions (1.3.2 and 1.4.0) in home repositories on OBS,
but who knows what for they are:
http://software.opensuse.org/search?baseproject=openSUSE:11.3&q="dbus-1"

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