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These packages need to be selected to install?

Per Jessen
I have just started a fresh 42.3 install on my test desktop - I know I
can't deselect grub2, but now I get this message:

> These packages need to be selected to install: SuSEfirewall2, ntfs-3g,
> ntfsprogs
> Please manually select the needed items to install.  

Followed by

> Error
> The proposal contains an error that must be resolved before
> continuing.    

https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1065588


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Re: These packages need to be selected to install?

Per Jessen
Per Jessen wrote:

> I have just started a fresh 42.3 install on my test desktop - I know I
> can't deselect grub2, but now I get this message:
>
>> These packages need to be selected to install: SuSEfirewall2,
>> ntfs-3g, ntfsprogs
>> Please manually select the needed items to install.
>
> Followed by
>
>> Error
>> The proposal contains an error that must be resolved before
>> continuing.
>
> https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1065588

Very weird - I re-enabled the ntfs packages for installation, and then
yast stopped complaining about SuSEfirewall2.



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Re: These packages need to be selected to install?

Carlos E. R.-2
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On 2018-01-31 10:33, Per Jessen wrote:
> I have just started a fresh 42.3 install on my test desktop - I know I
> can't deselect grub2, but now I get this message:
>
>> These packages need to be selected to install: SuSEfirewall2, ntfs-3g,
>> ntfsprogs
>> Please manually select the needed items to install.  

I'm curious why you want those packages out. I think you said you used
your own firewall script, but I thought that was on some machines. On
these I thought you used "defaults".


Why they should block the install is also curious, but that is bugzilla
matter.

You could do a "default install", then use a script stored somewhere to
customize things.

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Re: These packages need to be selected to install?

Per Jessen
Carlos E. R. wrote:

> On 2018-01-31 10:33, Per Jessen wrote:
>> I have just started a fresh 42.3 install on my test desktop - I know
>> I can't deselect grub2, but now I get this message:
>>
>>> These packages need to be selected to install: SuSEfirewall2,
>>> ntfs-3g, ntfsprogs
>>> Please manually select the needed items to install.
>
> I'm curious why you want those packages out. I think you said you used
> your own firewall script, but I thought that was on some machines. On
> these I thought you used "defaults".

Generally yes, I try to - or at least I try to keep customisations to a
minimum.  I think it was just muscle memory - no real need to omit
those on a desktop, even if they're not needed.  

> Why they should block the install is also curious, but that is
> bugzilla matter.
>
> You could do a "default install", then use a script stored somewhere
> to customize things.

Yes that is the general idea, this list could be turned into a script:

- yast: enable network printers, don't try to limit scope to local
network only.
- system settings - task switcher: compact, don't show window.
- dolphin:  setup tooltips, previews.
- fix ntp.conf+keys
- install acroread (will drag in loads of 32bit stuff)
- amend syslog.conf
- amend postfix conf
- add nfs shares to fstab
- add hostname to lock / login screen
- optionally install nvidia drivers
  (looks like nouveau works on this machine).



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Re: These packages need to be selected to install?

Basil Chupin-2
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On 31/01/18 23:28, Carlos E. R. wrote:

> On 2018-01-31 10:33, Per Jessen wrote:
>> I have just started a fresh 42.3 install on my test desktop - I know I
>> can't deselect grub2, but now I get this message:
>>
>>> These packages need to be selected to install: SuSEfirewall2, ntfs-3g,
>>> ntfsprogs
>>> Please manually select the needed items to install.  
> I'm curious why you want those packages out. I think you said you used
> your own firewall script, but I thought that was on some machines. On
> these I thought you used "defaults".
>
>
> Why they should block the install is also curious, but that is bugzilla
> matter.
>
> You could do a "default install", then use a script stored somewhere to
> customize things.

What I cannot understand is why Per should be having this (other?)
problem(s) when doing a clean install using a DVD is one of the most
simplest things to do and without any dramas.

Per, are you installing from a DVD or using some other method?

BC

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Re: These packages need to be selected to install?

Carlos E. R.-2
On 2018-02-02 06:03, Basil Chupin wrote:

> On 31/01/18 23:28, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> On 2018-01-31 10:33, Per Jessen wrote:
>>> I have just started a fresh 42.3 install on my test desktop - I know I
>>> can't deselect grub2, but now I get this message:
>>>
>>>> These packages need to be selected to install: SuSEfirewall2, ntfs-3g,
>>>> ntfsprogs
>>>> Please manually select the needed items to install.  
>> I'm curious why you want those packages out. I think you said you used
>> your own firewall script, but I thought that was on some machines. On
>> these I thought you used "defaults".
>>
>>
>> Why they should block the install is also curious, but that is bugzilla
>> matter.
>>
>> You could do a "default install", then use a script stored somewhere to
>> customize things.
>
> What I cannot understand is why Per should be having this (other?)
> problem(s) when doing a clean install using a DVD is one of the most
> simplest things to do and without any dramas.
>
> Per, are you installing from a DVD or using some other method?

He boots an image from the network. PXE. It ends being the same  DVD, but once installed he has to
do several customizations. There are too many, so perhaps what he needs is autoyast.

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Re: These packages need to be selected to install?

Basil Chupin-2
On 02/02/18 16:08, Carlos E. R. wrote:

> On 2018-02-02 06:03, Basil Chupin wrote:
>> On 31/01/18 23:28, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>> On 2018-01-31 10:33, Per Jessen wrote:
>>>> I have just started a fresh 42.3 install on my test desktop - I know I
>>>> can't deselect grub2, but now I get this message:
>>>>
>>>>> These packages need to be selected to install: SuSEfirewall2, ntfs-3g,
>>>>> ntfsprogs
>>>>> Please manually select the needed items to install.  
>>> I'm curious why you want those packages out. I think you said you used
>>> your own firewall script, but I thought that was on some machines. On
>>> these I thought you used "defaults".
>>>
>>>
>>> Why they should block the install is also curious, but that is bugzilla
>>> matter.
>>>
>>> You could do a "default install", then use a script stored somewhere to
>>> customize things.
>> What I cannot understand is why Per should be having this (other?)
>> problem(s) when doing a clean install using a DVD is one of the most
>> simplest things to do and without any dramas.
>>
>> Per, are you installing from a DVD or using some other method?
> He boots an image from the network. PXE. It ends being the same  DVD, but once installed he has to
> do several customizations. There are too many, so perhaps what he needs is autoyast.

Whatever :-). I have no need for such hocus-pocus stuff so I'll leave
further discussion on this to you and Per :-).

BC

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Re: These packages need to be selected to install?

Per Jessen
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Carlos E. R. wrote:

> On 2018-02-02 06:03, Basil Chupin wrote:
>> On 31/01/18 23:28, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>> On 2018-01-31 10:33, Per Jessen wrote:
>>>> I have just started a fresh 42.3 install on my test desktop - I
>>>> know I can't deselect grub2, but now I get this message:
>>>>
>>>>> These packages need to be selected to install: SuSEfirewall2,
>>>>> ntfs-3g, ntfsprogs
>>>>> Please manually select the needed items to install.
>>> I'm curious why you want those packages out. I think you said you
>>> used your own firewall script, but I thought that was on some
>>> machines. On these I thought you used "defaults".
>>>
>>>
>>> Why they should block the install is also curious, but that is
>>> bugzilla matter.
>>>
>>> You could do a "default install", then use a script stored somewhere
>>> to customize things.
>>
>> What I cannot understand is why Per should be having this (other?)
>> problem(s) when doing a clean install using a DVD is one of the most
>> simplest things to do and without any dramas.

If your system-to-be-installed happens to have an NTFS filesystem, it
looks like YaST insists on installing those ntfs utilities, regardless
of whether you're mounting them.
To recreate, install Leap 423 from DVD, deselect SuSEfirewall2,
ntfs-3g and ntfsprogs.  

>>
>> Per, are you installing from a DVD or using some other method?
>
> He boots an image from the network. PXE. It ends being the same  DVD,
> but once installed he has to do several customizations. There are too
> many, so perhaps what he needs is autoyast.

autoyast is big gun with a steep learning curve.  I don't really install
often enough to warrant the full effort.  However, what would be really
cool is for an installation to fetch certain defaults, e.g. from a tftp
server or similar, if available.  i.e. a list of pre-set option:
language, keyboard, timezone, userid+passwds, packages to include,
packages to exclude.
I think it might even be possible with autoyast, I have experimented a
bit.
 

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Re: These packages need to be selected to install?

David C. Rankin
On 02/02/2018 12:37 AM, Per Jessen wrote:
> If your system-to-be-installed happens to have an NTFS filesystem, it
> looks like YaST insists on installing those ntfs utilities, regardless
> of whether you're mounting them.
> To recreate, install Leap 423 from DVD, deselect SuSEfirewall2,
> ntfs-3g and ntfsprogs.  

You knew we would end up here when installers began thinking they new better
which packages the user wanted installed on their systems than the user
themselves. Frustrating at times...

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Re: These packages need to be selected to install?

Carlos E. R.-2
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On 2018-02-02 07:37, Per Jessen wrote:
> Carlos E. R. wrote:
>
>> On 2018-02-02 06:03, Basil Chupin wrote:
>>> On 31/01/18 23:28, Carlos E. R. wrote:


>>>> You could do a "default install", then use a script stored somewhere
>>>> to customize things.
>>>
>>> What I cannot understand is why Per should be having this (other?)
>>> problem(s) when doing a clean install using a DVD is one of the most
>>> simplest things to do and without any dramas.
>
> If your system-to-be-installed happens to have an NTFS filesystem, it
> looks like YaST insists on installing those ntfs utilities, regardless
> of whether you're mounting them.
> To recreate, install Leap 423 from DVD, deselect SuSEfirewall2,
> ntfs-3g and ntfsprogs.  

Sometimes it is easier not to fight it ;-)


>>> Per, are you installing from a DVD or using some other method?
>>
>> He boots an image from the network. PXE. It ends being the same  DVD,
>> but once installed he has to do several customizations. There are too
>> many, so perhaps what he needs is autoyast.
>
> autoyast is big gun with a steep learning curve.  I don't really install
> often enough to warrant the full effort.  However, what would be really
> cool is for an installation to fetch certain defaults, e.g. from a tftp
> server or similar, if available.  i.e. a list of pre-set option:
> language, keyboard, timezone, userid+passwds, packages to include,
> packages to exclude.
> I think it might even be possible with autoyast, I have experimented a
> bit.

Yes, autoyast is difficult, I had a look once. But it does those things.

I don't remember if it handles repos, though.


If the machines are very similar, another method is install an image (dd or clonezilla). Then you
only need to change IP and name.

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Per Jessen
Carlos E. R. wrote:

> On 2018-02-02 07:37, Per Jessen wrote:
>> Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>
>>> On 2018-02-02 06:03, Basil Chupin wrote:
>>>> On 31/01/18 23:28, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>
>
>>>>> You could do a "default install", then use a script stored
>>>>> somewhere to customize things.
>>>>
>>>> What I cannot understand is why Per should be having this (other?)
>>>> problem(s) when doing a clean install using a DVD is one of the
>>>> most simplest things to do and without any dramas.
>>
>> If your system-to-be-installed happens to have an NTFS filesystem, it
>> looks like YaST insists on installing those ntfs utilities,
>> regardless of whether you're mounting them.
>> To recreate, install Leap 423 from DVD, deselect SuSEfirewall2,
>> ntfs-3g and ntfsprogs.
>
> Sometimes it is easier not to fight it ;-)

Very true.

>>>> Per, are you installing from a DVD or using some other method?
>>>
>>> He boots an image from the network. PXE. It ends being the same
>>> DVD, but once installed he has to do several customizations. There
>>> are too many, so perhaps what he needs is autoyast.
>>
>> autoyast is big gun with a steep learning curve.  I don't really
>> install often enough to warrant the full effort.  However, what would
>> be really cool is for an installation to fetch certain defaults, e.g.
>> from a tftp server or similar, if available.  i.e. a list of pre-set
>> option: language, keyboard, timezone, userid+passwds, packages to
>> include, packages to exclude. I think it might even be possible with
>> autoyast, I have experimented a bit.
>
> Yes, autoyast is difficult, I had a look once. But it does those
> things.
> I don't remember if it handles repos, though.

Ah yes, forgot about those - would be nice to have the standard set
added automagically too.  One of these days I'll have a closer look.

> If the machines are very similar, another method is install an image
> (dd or clonezilla). Then you only need to change IP and name.

Yes, for e.g. clusters I just do a tar'ed image of the first install,
copy to the rest.  For the desktops, they're rarely the same spec.

 

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Peter Suetterlin-2
Per Jessen wrote:
> Carlos E. R. wrote:

> > Yes, autoyast is difficult, I had a look once. But it does those
> > things.
> > I don't remember if it handles repos, though.
>
> Ah yes, forgot about those - would be nice to have the standard set
> added automagically too.  One of these days I'll have a closer look.

I once did/tried that (for PXE) by changing the xml configuration files and
building the appropriate rootfs image again... (I have a local copy of the repos)

Did work, but an official (and smoother) way is clearly preferable.

I did shy back from autoyast, too :o

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Carlos E. R.-2
On 2018-02-02 15:09, Peter Suetterlin wrote:

> Per Jessen wrote:
>> Carlos E. R. wrote:
>
>>> Yes, autoyast is difficult, I had a look once. But it does those
>>> things.
>>> I don't remember if it handles repos, though.
>>
>> Ah yes, forgot about those - would be nice to have the standard set
>> added automagically too.  One of these days I'll have a closer look.
>
> I once did/tried that (for PXE) by changing the xml configuration files and
> building the appropriate rootfs image again... (I have a local copy of the repos)
>
> Did work, but an official (and smoother) way is clearly preferable.
>
> I did shy back from autoyast, too :o
Adding some repos and a list of packages is easy with a script that
calls zypper. But you have to take careful notes when you install the
first machine to create the script.

I don't remember if there is a command equivalent to the yast "switch
sytem packages to this repo", perhaps something like "zypper dup from".

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jdd@dodin.org
Le 02/02/2018 à 20:31, Carlos E. R. a écrit :

> I don't remember if there is a command equivalent to the yast "switch
> sytem packages to this repo", perhaps something like "zypper dup from".
>
exactly

jdd

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