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Zoran Ljubisic
Hi all,

What is mayor difference between Suse and Ubuntu distribution?

Zoran


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Re: Suse vs Ubuntu

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> What is mayor difference between Suse and Ubuntu distribution?

Hard to give an objective answer... but if I had to pick one thing
that really stood out between my Ubuntu/Kubuntu and SUSE installs...
I'd say. YAST.  The YAST setup tool is a HUGE selling point for me to
use SUSE.  Whenever I have to boot up Ubuntu, I really miss YAST, and
always return to SUSE with a sense of relief.


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Re: Suse vs Ubuntu

Jan Engelhardt
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> Hi all,
>
> What is mayor difference between Suse and Ubuntu distribution?

The one uses RPM, the other uses DEB.
The one is pretty selfstanding now (once upon a time based on
Slackware), the other is based on Debian.



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Re: Suse vs Ubuntu

stephan beal
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On Wednesday 13 September 2006 11:34, Zoran Ljubisic wrote:
> What is mayor difference between Suse and Ubuntu distribution?

http://lists.suse.com/archive/suse-linux-e/2006-Aug/2455.html

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Re: Suse vs Ubuntu

Jan Engelhardt

>> What is mayor difference between Suse and Ubuntu distribution?
>
>http://lists.suse.com/archive/suse-linux-e/2006-Aug/2455.html

MO:
You can equip your SUSE system with apt/yum/smart, but you can't
(easily) bring Yast to Debian/Ubuntu.



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Re: Suse vs Ubuntu

James Knott
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Zoran Ljubisic wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> What is mayor difference between Suse and Ubuntu distribution?

What's the difference between a Ford and a Chev?

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Re: Suse vs Ubuntu

Hartmut Meyer
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Hi,

On Wednesday 13 September 2006 12:52, Jan Engelhardt wrote:

> You can equip your SUSE system with apt/yum/smart, but you can't
> (easily) bring Yast to Debian/Ubuntu.

There are obviously people that are trying at least:

  http://en.opensuse.org/Porting_YaST
  http://yast4debian.alioth.debian.org/
  https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=201705


Greetings from Stuhr
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Azerion
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Op woensdag 13 september 2006 12:09, schreef stephan beal:
> On Wednesday 13 September 2006 11:34, Zoran Ljubisic wrote:
> > What is mayor difference between Suse and Ubuntu distribution?
>
> http://lists.suse.com/archive/suse-linux-e/2006-Aug/2455.html
>
> :)

Yeah, compare rotten SUSE Linux 10.1 with Kubuntu. If I look at 10.2 Alpha 4 I
think they fixed the most things you complain about. Rug is lightning fast,
KDE SUSE updaters is a blast (Gnome one does not work for some reason) and
there are a lot more fixes.

10.1 is a bad version. Comparing it with whatever does not say anything about
SUSE in general only about one rotten version. And as wel all know, that will
never happen again.

BTW. if you have problems with Yast/rpm then you can install Smart and use
apt's. Or whatever you want cause it supports a lot.

I came to SUSE some years ago and I only know the mailinglist for a year.
Never used it, internetsupport maybe a few times cause I am seeking adventure
(so now I run Alpha 4). I can't find myself in you're discription and
conclusions.

Azerion

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Re: Suse vs Ubuntu

Randall Schulz
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On Wednesday 13 September 2006 03:55, James Knott wrote:
> Zoran Ljubisic wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > What is mayor difference between Suse and Ubuntu distribution?
>
> What's the difference between a Ford and a Chevy?

You're saying there's no real difference at all??


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Re: Suse vs Ubuntu

Stevens-8
On Wednesday 13 September 2006 07:54, Randall R Schulz wrote:

> On Wednesday 13 September 2006 03:55, James Knott wrote:
> > Zoran Ljubisic wrote:
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > What is mayor difference between Suse and Ubuntu distribution?
> >
> > What's the difference between a Ford and a Chevy?
>
> You're saying there's no real difference at all??
>

Nope, not saying that. Fords & Chevys are cars with steering wheels,
engines, seats, doors and performance specs that allow you to go
from one to the other with minimal training and drive down the road.

Having said that, each one has a set of features that makes it appeal
to a particular audience. Thus you get the Chevy vs Ford vs Mopar
battles at the local drive in on Saturday night.

I personally own a Chevy and a Dodge. I have Suse on 2 computers and
Windows on a laptop. They each have features that I need, like having
a slotted screwdriver and a Phillips one in my toolbox.

Debating about which distro is best is like trying to pick fly shit out
of black pepper.

Fred

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Re: Suse vs Ubuntu

Azerion
Op woensdag 13 september 2006 15:05, schreef Stevens:
> I personally own a Chevy and a Dodge. I have Suse on 2 computers and
> Windows on a laptop. They each have features that I need,

Some people cannot live without virusses around :P

>
> Debating about which distro is best is like trying to pick fly shit out
> of black pepper.

Could you please descibe how that is. I really have no idea, never did such a
thing.

>
> Fred

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Re: Suse vs Ubuntu

stephan beal
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On Wednesday 13 September 2006 15:05, Stevens wrote:
> On Wednesday 13 September 2006 07:54, Randall R Schulz wrote:
> > On Wednesday 13 September 2006 03:55, James Knott wrote:
> > > Zoran Ljubisic wrote:
> > > > Hi all,
> > > >
> > > > What is mayor difference between Suse and Ubuntu distribution?
...
> Debating about which distro is best is like trying to pick fly shit
> out of black pepper.

He (the OP) never asked which distro is best. See above: he asked "What
[are the major] difference[s] between Suse and Ubuntu?"

There's no implication of an argument in that question.

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stephan beal
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On Wednesday 13 September 2006 14:36, Azerion wrote:
> Op woensdag 13 september 2006 12:09, schreef stephan beal:
> > http://lists.suse.com/archive/suse-linux-e/2006-Aug/2455.html
> >
> > :)
>
> Yeah, compare rotten SUSE Linux 10.1 with Kubuntu. If I look at 10.2
> Alpha 4 I think they fixed the most things you complain about. Rug is
> lightning fast, KDE SUSE updaters is a blast (Gnome one does not work
> for some reason) and there are a lot more fixes.

There's no way in hell i'm going to upgrade a working machine with an
"alpha" release. One of the alphas (or betas?) for 10.1 had an
installation bug which deleted the partition table.

> 10.1 is a bad version. Comparing it with whatever does not say
> anything about SUSE in general only about one rotten version. And as
> wel all know, that will never happen again.

Read the post again - i wasn't comparing Kubuntu with Suse 10.1, but was
comparing Kubuntu against 8 years of experience with Suse. For example,
the yast install/upgrade tools have *always* been dog slow compared to
apt-based systems, it's just that the problem is exemplified in 10.1 (i
would almost say it was blown to comic-tragic proportions in 10.1).

> BTW. if you have problems with Yast/rpm then you can install Smart
> and use apt's. Or whatever you want cause it supports a lot.

Out of principal, i'm not going to fight with 10.1's update process any
more. i've already hosed my RPM db a couple times trying to get other
tools running. This machine is my DSL router and i work online from
home, so i can't afford to risk hosing it any further. No user should
have to install an add-on/3rd-party upgrade tool. It should be [a
working] part of the system (as it has been for a number of years).

> I came to SUSE some years ago and I only know the mailinglist for a
> year. Never used it, internetsupport maybe a few times cause I am
> seeking adventure (so now I run Alpha 4). I can't find myself in
> you're discription and conclusions.

Maybe you've got more patience with 10.1 than i.

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Re: Suse vs Ubuntu

PerfectReign-2
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On Wed, September 13, 2006 2:34 am, Zoran Ljubisic wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> What is mayor difference between Suse and Ubuntu distribution?

SUSE is Green.

Ubuntu is Orange.

Boxed sets of SUSE come with a cool Lizard sticker.

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Re: Suse vs Ubuntu

Sunny_bg
On 9/13/06, PerfectReign wrote:

>
> On Wed, September 13, 2006 2:34 am, Zoran Ljubisic wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > What is mayor difference between Suse and Ubuntu distribution?
>
> SUSE is Green.
>
> Ubuntu is Orange.
>
> Boxed sets of SUSE come with a cool Lizard sticker.
>

And ... Ubuntu will send you the CD for free :)

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Re: Suse vs Ubuntu

Jan Engelhardt
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>> Debating about which distro is best is like trying to pick fly shit out
>> of black pepper.
>
>Could you please descibe how that is. I really have no idea, never did such a
>thing.

It is religion. There is no real way to define it, past the physical
aspects of the particular chosen Linux distro.


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Re: Suse vs Ubuntu

Azerion
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Op woensdag 13 september 2006 15:52, schreef stephan beal:

> On Wednesday 13 September 2006 14:36, Azerion wrote:
> > Op woensdag 13 september 2006 12:09, schreef stephan beal:
> > > http://lists.suse.com/archive/suse-linux-e/2006-Aug/2455.html
> > >
> > > :)
> >
> > Yeah, compare rotten SUSE Linux 10.1 with Kubuntu. If I look at 10.2
> > Alpha 4 I think they fixed the most things you complain about. Rug is
> > lightning fast, KDE SUSE updaters is a blast (Gnome one does not work
> > for some reason) and there are a lot more fixes.
>
> There's no way in hell i'm going to upgrade a working machine with an
> "alpha" release. One of the alphas (or betas?) for 10.1 had an
> installation bug which deleted the partition table.

I understand. But my point remains that a lot of the problems you talk about
do not exist in 10.2 anymore.

>
> > 10.1 is a bad version. Comparing it with whatever does not say
> > anything about SUSE in general only about one rotten version. And as
> > wel all know, that will never happen again.
>
> Read the post again - i wasn't comparing Kubuntu with Suse 10.1, but was
> comparing Kubuntu against 8 years of experience with Suse. For example,
> the yast install/upgrade tools have *always* been dog slow compared to
> apt-based systems, it's just that the problem is exemplified in 10.1 (i
> would almost say it was blown to comic-tragic proportions in 10.1).

Point taken. But apt-GUI's never had the possibilities that YaST haves so I
can imagine they are fast. rpm -ivh xxx.rpm is fast also..... Maybe today's
GUI's are better but it's not fair to compare them with good old YaST. I
think that openSUSE will have a very fast installer-GUI within a year (maybe
3rdparty but I think Apt-blabla is 3rdparty too), then you may compare. New
GUI versus New GUI.

> > BTW. if you have problems with Yast/rpm then you can install Smart
> > and use apt's. Or whatever you want cause it supports a lot.
>
> Out of principal, i'm not going to fight with 10.1's update process any
> more. i've already hosed my RPM db a couple times trying to get other
> tools running. This machine is my DSL router and i work online from
> home, so i can't afford to risk hosing it any further. No user should
> have to install an add-on/3rd-party upgrade tool. It should be [a
> working] part of the system (as it has been for a number of years).

I understand also, today I made the comment in a bugreport:
"KDE updater does the job nice. The official updater does nothing....." It's a
painfull situation, but Smart is a good workaround for problem ZEN. It also
shows that SUSE does have more possibilities on the install-packages level.
>
> > I came to SUSE some years ago and I only know the mailinglist for a
> > year. Never used it, internetsupport maybe a few times cause I am
> > seeking adventure (so now I run Alpha 4). I can't find myself in
> > you're discription and conclusions.
>
> Maybe you've got more patience with 10.1 than i.

I do, knowing that it was not the chosen solution from SUSE-developers to put
ZEN in while beta2/3 was out. Seeing how fast rug is at the moment I think I
can make the point that it is fast like apt. Where pinging in 10.1 even takes
10-20 second or even more it is now done in a second. Searching is also a
blast. Cannot comment on installing cause I did not do so with rug yet, I
always prefered y2pmsh but it's not more in the factory-repo. Rug does the
job very well :D

Typing this I remember that my computer until now never slowed down from ZEN
(in 10.2). What?! Miracles happen!!!!!!! haha (733mhz, 256mb). Cewl fact :D

But it was not my point. You said that you had to search thru mailinglists
like this when you wantend to install software. I never seen this list or
other until a year ago. Until then i had never problems installing packages.

Azerion

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Azerion
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Op woensdag 13 september 2006 16:34, schreef PerfectReign:

> On Wed, September 13, 2006 2:34 am, Zoran Ljubisic wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > What is mayor difference between Suse and Ubuntu distribution?
>
> SUSE is Green.
>
> Ubuntu is Orange.
>
> Boxed sets of SUSE come with a cool Lizard sticker.
>

What? Mine did not! Hmmm...I have to admit I got it for free, maybe that's the
reason why they saved money with leaving the sticker out of the box :D

Azerion

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RE: Suse vs Ubuntu

Darko Gavrilovic
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: Zoran Ljubisic [mailto:[hidden email]]
>Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 5:34 AM
>To: SuseLinuxMailingLista
>Subject: [SLE] Suse vs Ubuntu
>
>Hi all,
>
>What is mayor difference between Suse and Ubuntu distribution?
>
>Zoran
>
>

Ubuntu has been getting lots of popularity lately. Perhaps these links help
a bit.

http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,2010003,00.asp

http://www.desktoplinux.com/articles/AT9975290088.html

Even seems to be seeping into the enterprise as a Linux desktop candidate. I
see my comp sci prof's use it as well.

cheers,
dg
 
University of Toronto
http://www.dua.utoronto.ca 



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M Harris-2
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>From: Azerion <[hidden email]>
>Sent: Sep 13, 2006 9:53 AM
>To: [hidden email]
>Subject: Re: [SLE] Suse vs Ubuntu
>
>Op woensdag 13 september 2006 16:34, schreef PerfectReign:
>> On Wed, September 13, 2006 2:34 am, Zoran Ljubisic wrote:
>> > Hi all,
>> >
>> > What is mayor difference between Suse and Ubuntu distribution?
>>
>> SUSE is Green.
>>
>> Ubuntu is Orange.
>>
>> Boxed sets of SUSE come with a cool Lizard sticker.
>>
>
>What? Mine did not! Hmmm...I have to admit I got it for free, maybe that's the
>reason why they saved money with leaving the sticker out of the box :D

     Mine was missing the cool Lizard sticker also... and mine was a paid boxed set... but, when I called Novell and asked if it were possible to receive promotional cool Lizard stickers for an upcoming install-fest I was told no no no they just aren't availbe... only the boxed sets get them...  but mine didn't, nope.  :-O





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M Harris     <><

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