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Re: Organizing Wiki

Rajko M.
Rajko M wrote:

> The http://en.opensuse.org/Tasks list is by now quite large .
> It is not always easy to find what to do and what is already done.
>
> Well defined tasks are important for success of any project.
> For each participant is easier to pick up some well defined job than to
> make guesswork from present offer what is the most important, how far
> article should be developed, what is the best way to structure article.
> This is specially true for projects in the initial phase like openSUSE
> wiki.
>
> It is time to reorganize Tasks page to list tasks by groups with
> additional information:
> * urgency
> * planned subtasks
> * proposed article structure
> * who is working on it
> * what is already done
> * ...
>
> Some smart template from our template specialists would make this
> easier, or maybe there is some other way like bugzilla for software,
> that has all this included, and tasks page should contain only link to
> this task tracking tool.
>
> ==Tasks==
> ===Wiki===
> * structure chart and plans,
> * maintenance,
> * standards,
> * guides,
> * wish list,
> * plans,
> * ...
>
> ===Distribution documentation===
> * Technical
> ** specifications,
> ** standards,
> ** manuals,
> ** ...
>
> * User
> ** HowTo,
> ** tips,
> ** FAQ,
> ** SDB,
> ** ...
>
> ===Illustrations===
> * Artwork
> ** article illustrations,
> ** buttons,
> ** banners,
> ** window decoration
> ** ...
>
> ===Technical===
> * Diagrams,
> * Flow charts,
> * Schematics,
> * ...
>
> ===Programming===
> * ...
>
> Any ideas how to do this will help to do more with lesser work.
>

No ideas?
Well, back to old editing by hand and with hope that someone will pick up.

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Re: Organizing Wiki

jdd@dodin.org
Rajko M a écrit :

> No ideas?

I put this aside, waiting for the front page redesign
acheivement (should be soon, I hope, now)
jdd

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Re: Organizing Wiki

Rajko M.
jdd wrote:
> Rajko M a écrit :
>
>> No ideas?

I wrote this about tasks to initiate discussion, because I see more
users coming in. They can be great reinforcement if they know what to
do. The Tasks and Todo pages, are filled with complex tasks that must be
crunched in smaller.

Why?
1) No one can expect that every user act as project manager, and split
tasks in one evening portions, easy to accomplish.
2) It will make possible that everyone can see what is done, and what
not, to prevent duplicate efforts.

Wiki doesn't seem right form to do it and, besides, there is so much
software developed for such purpose. It would be like inventing hot
water, to write template, that will help to follow task execution.

Or, it is possible and appropriate, to use wiki for all, just I can't
see how to do it without crowding wiki with work files, that will be not
needed once task is accomplished.

> I put this aside, waiting for the front page redesign achievement
> (should be soon, I hope, now)
> jdd
>

It is August, a holiday season.
Not time for high speed anywhere :-)

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Re: Organizing Wiki

Christian Boltz-5
Hello,

Am Sonntag, 6. August 2006 14:26 schrieb Rajko M:

> I wrote this about tasks to initiate discussion, because I see more
> users coming in. They can be great reinforcement if they know what to
> do. The Tasks and Todo pages, are filled with complex tasks that must
> be crunched in smaller.
>
> Why?
> 1) No one can expect that every user act as project manager, and
> split tasks in one evening portions, easy to accomplish.
> 2) It will make possible that everyone can see what is done, and what
> not, to prevent duplicate efforts.

Correct.

> Wiki doesn't seem right form to do it and, besides, there is so much
> software developed for such purpose. It would be like inventing hot
> water, to write template, that will help to follow task execution.

I still vote for using bugzilla and put the Tasks list in the "Action
Items" component.

We would need an "[hidden email]" dummy bugzilla account for
this because items on the tasks page are defined as "not assigned to
someone" and people (obviously) refuse to have something assigned to
them in case it's not their job [1] ;-)

BTW: The inclusion of Bugzilla RSS in the wiki (discussed some time ago)
is already implemented in the "Bugs this week" section of
http://developer.novell.com/wiki/index.php/Novell_Forge (<getrss> tag)
- I guess this could be included in *.opensuse.org (more or less)
easily.


Regards,

Christian Boltz

[1] "not my job" as in http://tinyurl.com/qdmt3 ;-))
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Re: Organizing Wiki

Rajko M.
Christian Boltz wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Am Sonntag, 6. August 2006 14:26 schrieb Rajko M:
>> I wrote this about tasks to initiate discussion, because I see more
>> users coming in. They can be great reinforcement if they know what to
>> do. The Tasks and Todo pages, are filled with complex tasks that must
>> be crunched in smaller.
>>
>> Why?
>> 1) No one can expect that every user act as project manager, and
>> split tasks in one evening portions, easy to accomplish.
>> 2) It will make possible that everyone can see what is done, and what
>> not, to prevent duplicate efforts.
>
> Correct.
>
>> Wiki doesn't seem right form to do it and, besides, there is so much
>> software developed for such purpose. It would be like inventing hot
>> water, to write template, that will help to follow task execution.
>
> I still vote for using bugzilla and put the Tasks list in the "Action
> Items" component.
>
> We would need an "[hidden email]" dummy bugzilla account for
> this because items on the tasks page are defined as "not assigned to
> someone" and people (obviously) refuse to have something assigned to
> them in case it's not their job [1] ;-)
>
> BTW: The inclusion of Bugzilla RSS in the wiki (discussed some time ago)
> is already implemented in the "Bugs this week" section of
> http://developer.novell.com/wiki/index.php/Novell_Forge (<getrss> tag)
> - I guess this could be included in *.opensuse.org (more or less)
> easily.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Christian Boltz
>
> [1] "not my job" as in http://tinyurl.com/qdmt3 ;-))

:-D

I've seen one "not my job" on my street today
and drove carefully around.

The bugzilla is what came in my mind, but I used it only once, and now
when you mentioned it, it looks viable to communicate achievements,
problems, time shortage, needs, exchange files, etc, that comes up
during the task execution.

The other problem who is going to develop project, who is going to
manage it, is still kind of secret.

At the present time I don't see many (sufficient) people that can
dedicate time for large projects, so we need project management that
works fine with loose groups like the wiki editors.

That looks like I have to reread some chapters in:
        Producing Open Source Software,
        by Karl Fogel
  http://producingoss.com/
to come up with some ideas.

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