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Is this list alive? Cooperation with openSUSE-Education ?

Lars Vogdt
Hi all

First: I haven't received a message from this list since Mar 2008 - is
this just a fault in my configuration or is this list really so quiet?

But my initial reason for "pinging" here is the great success in the
openSUSE Education team: we're using your "Lessons for lizzards" book
as base for our openSUSE Education handout [1]. Thanks for your great
work in this area of "pre-configuring" a useful book format in xml!

Currently I'm working to get the openSUSE-Education book build within
the build process of a RPM, so packaging pre-build pdf's and html (as
currently done in LfL) should not be necessary any more. Thanks to
Thomas who's helping me much in this area.

The openSUSE-Education handout currently contains some package
descriptions for  gcompris, italc, LTSP and Tuxpaint. Perhaps these
descriptions can also be used in the Lessons for Lizzards book?

Other question: I like to integrate some of the current LfL articles
(for example: the KDE-kiosk one) in the openSUSE-Education handout - is
this ok for you? Or should we find a better way for cooperation? :-)

With kind regards,
Lars

[1]:
http://www.opensuse-education.org/download/repo/installation_on_10_3.pdf

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Re: Is this list alive? Cooperation with openSUSE-Education ?

Frank Sundermeyer
On Monday 08 September 2008 11:41:48 Lars Vogdt wrote:

Hi,

> First: I haven't received a message from this list since Mar 2008 -
> is this just a fault in my configuration or is this list really so
> quiet?

this list is alive, but we are currently sleeping the sleep of the
just ;-))

> The openSUSE-Education handout currently contains some package
> descriptions for  gcompris, italc, LTSP and Tuxpaint. Perhaps these
> descriptions can also be used in the Lessons for Lizzards book?

Sounds good - could you point me to the sources?

> Other question: I like to integrate some of the current LfL articles
> (for example: the KDE-kiosk one) in the openSUSE-Education handout -
> is this ok for you? Or should we find a better way for cooperation?
> :-)

Lfl is licensed under the GFDL, so IMHO you can use it's contents as
long as the edu book is also licensed under the GFDL. I am not sure
whether you need permission from the author (if so, you have got mine
for the Kiosk chapter ;) ), you should probably ask Jürgen or Ciarran
to be sure (and please let us know).

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Re: Is this list alive? Cooperation with openSUSE-Education ?

Lars Vogdt
Hi

On Mittwoch 10 September 2008 10:20:11 Frank Sundermeyer wrote:
> > First: I haven't received a message from this list since Mar 2008 -
> > is this just a fault in my configuration or is this list really so
> > quiet?
>
> this list is alive, but we are currently sleeping the sleep of the
> just ;-))

Ah! Good to hear :-)


> > The openSUSE-Education handout currently contains some package
> > descriptions for  gcompris, italc, LTSP and Tuxpaint. Perhaps these
> > descriptions can also be used in the Lessons for Lizzards book?
>
> Sounds good - could you point me to the sources?

https://svn.linux-schulserver.de/viewvc/packages/opensuse-education-docu/trunk/opensuse-education-docu/
  or
svn checkout
https://svn.linux-schulserver.de/repos/oss-edu/packages/opensuse-education-docu 
os-edu-book


> > Other question: I like to integrate some of the current LfL
> > articles (for example: the KDE-kiosk one) in the openSUSE-Education
> > handout - is this ok for you? Or should we find a better way for
> > cooperation?
> >
> > :-)
>
> Lfl is licensed under the GFDL, so IMHO you can use it's contents as
> long as the edu book is also licensed under the GFDL.

Yes, same for us: GFDL.

> I am not sure
> whether you need permission from the author (if so, you have got mine
> for the Kiosk chapter ;) ), you should probably ask Jürgen or Ciarran
> to be sure (and please let us know).

Thanks - as both books are under the same "free" license, I think asking
Jürgen or Ciarran is not necessary. But I like to inform the original
authors when we use their texts. ;-)

FYI: Looks like the only thing left to build the book in the Build
Service is the font definition in the susedoc package:
/usr/share/susedoc/etc/FOP/fop-suse.xml  
contain references to fonts in the agfa-fonts package (which has a  
commercial license).

Does anybody know if there are really free fonts that can be used
instead of the agfa-fonts (Note: we need ISO-8858-5 and ISO-8859-15 or
UTF-8) ?

...and how to overwrite the settings in the susedoc package with that
fonts?

With kind regards,
Lars
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Re: Is this list alive? Cooperation with openSUSE-Education ?

Thomas Schraitle-2
Hi,

On Mittwoch 10 September 2008, Lars Vogdt wrote:

> [...]
> > I am not sure
> > whether you need permission from the author (if so, you have got
> > mine for the Kiosk chapter ;) ), you should probably ask Jürgen
> > or Ciarran to be sure (and please let us know).
>
> Thanks - as both books are under the same "free" license, I think
> asking Jürgen or Ciarran is not necessary. But I like to inform the
> original authors when we use their texts. ;-)
>
> FYI: Looks like the only thing left to build the book in the Build
> Service is the font definition in the susedoc package:
> /usr/share/susedoc/etc/FOP/fop-suse.xml
> contain references to fonts in the agfa-fonts package (which has a
> commercial license).

Yes, that's true. Unfortunately I hadn't had the time to look into it.
It's one of my todos on my list. Patches are welcome. :-)


> Does anybody know if there are really free fonts that can be used
> instead of the agfa-fonts (Note: we need ISO-8858-5 and ISO-8859-15
> or UTF-8) ?

You could try the DejaVu or LinuxLibertine fonts. However, you will
soon hit the problematic field of typography: As far as I know,
LinuxLibertine has only a serif font, they are working on a sans
serif at the moment.

DejaVu is rather complete and have serif, sans serif, and a monospace
font. The monospace font is a bit too wide in my point of view.


> ...and how to overwrite the settings in the susedoc package with
> that fonts?

Try to set the environment variable FOP_CONFIG_FILE.


Bye,
Tom

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