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Vojtěch Zeisek-2
Hi,
I wonder which options do we have for instant messaging (KDE, TW). I'd prefer
KDE application. I need Google Hangouts (more accounts on custom domains), I
can live without calling. If the application would work for XMPP/Jabber, the
better. If also for IRC, the best.
On-line accounts in KDE control center allow me to add Google account and it
can access Drive and YouTube. Nothing more. Using gdrive:/ in Dolphin lists
accounts, but accessing them fails with "unknown error". Well, no Hangouts
available here. Do I miss some required package? KDE on-line accounts allow me
to add Google, ownCloud or Twitter. Nothing else.
I looked at https://en.opensuse.org/KDE_Telepathy but telepathy-kde doesn't
exist anymore (https://software.opensuse.org/search doesn't find it). Wasn't
Telepathy responsible for the chatting part of KDE on-line accounts? Do we
have anything working based on Telepathy (Empathy?)?
I tried Kopete. It doesn't seem to be very maintained either (in KDE3 and 4 it
used to be my favorite chatting application) and since the antispam module is
missing, bots are very annoying there. Hangouts doesn't work there and the
application is frequently crashing (when editing account settings, removing
contacts, etc). Is it worth of reporting?
I tried Pidgin, but Hangouts didn't work for me and its privacy/antispam
settings doesn't work very well.
Finally I tried YakYak https://github.com/yakyak/yakyak It seems to be working
well, but it can use only one Google Hangouts account (I need two) and nothing
else.
So do we have among our packages anything reliably working with Google
Hangouts? I don't prefer to use it through web browser as I use KMail (so no
webmail) and generally rather desktop clients. Full integration into KDE would
also be nice, but I need at least anything working...
V.

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Knurpht-openSUSE
Op donderdag 22 november 2018 14:14:51 CET schreef Vojtěch Zeisek:

> Hi,
> I wonder which options do we have for instant messaging (KDE, TW). I'd
> prefer KDE application. I need Google Hangouts (more accounts on custom
> domains), I can live without calling. If the application would work for
> XMPP/Jabber, the better. If also for IRC, the best.
> On-line accounts in KDE control center allow me to add Google account and it
> can access Drive and YouTube. Nothing more. Using gdrive:/ in Dolphin lists
> accounts, but accessing them fails with "unknown error". Well, no Hangouts
> available here. Do I miss some required package? KDE on-line accounts allow
> me to add Google, ownCloud or Twitter. Nothing else.
> I looked at https://en.opensuse.org/KDE_Telepathy but telepathy-kde doesn't
> exist anymore (https://software.opensuse.org/search doesn't find it). Wasn't
> Telepathy responsible for the chatting part of KDE on-line accounts? Do we
> have anything working based on Telepathy (Empathy?)?
> I tried Kopete. It doesn't seem to be very maintained either (in KDE3 and 4
> it used to be my favorite chatting application) and since the antispam
> module is missing, bots are very annoying there. Hangouts doesn't work
> there and the application is frequently crashing (when editing account
> settings, removing contacts, etc). Is it worth of reporting?
> I tried Pidgin, but Hangouts didn't work for me and its privacy/antispam
> settings doesn't work very well.
> Finally I tried YakYak https://github.com/yakyak/yakyak It seems to be
> working well, but it can use only one Google Hangouts account (I need two)
> and nothing else.
> So do we have among our packages anything reliably working with Google
> Hangouts? I don't prefer to use it through web browser as I use KMail (so no
> webmail) and generally rather desktop clients. Full integration into KDE
> would also be nice, but I need at least anything working...
> V.

Franz is capable of doing quite a lot of what you describe, the number of
services it can handle has significantly grown over the year that I've been
using it.

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Re: Hangouts, XMPP and KDE on-line accounts

Luca Beltrame
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In data giovedì 22 novembre 2018 14:14:51 CET, Vojt?ch Zeisek ha scritto:

Hello,

> I wonder which options do we have for instant messaging (KDE, TW). I'd

Currently as in officially in the distro only kopete: there used to be KDE
Telepathy (KTP) as well, but it was removed due to build breakage followed by
inactivity from upstream. There's some discussion on whether bring it back or
not at http://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1116043.

> On-line accounts in KDE control center allow me to add Google account and it
> can access Drive and YouTube. Nothing more. Using gdrive:/ in Dolphin lists

Do you have kio-gdrive installed?

> settings, removing contacts, etc). Is it worth of reporting?

You might want to report it upstream, although development activity is really
low.

> So do we have among our packages anything reliably working with Google
> Hangouts? I don't prefer to use it through web browser as I use KMail (so no

There's no support to Hangouts in either KTP or kopete, in general, IIRC. It's
a proprietary walled garden, so this doesn't surprise me.

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Vojtěch Zeisek-2
Dne čtvrtek 22. listopadu 2018 14:30:06 CET, Luca Beltrame napsal(a):
> In data giovedì 22 novembre 2018 14:14:51 CET, Vojt?ch Zeisek ha scritto:
>
> > I wonder which options do we have for instant messaging (KDE, TW). I'd
>
> Currently as in officially in the distro only kopete: there used to be KDE
> Telepathy (KTP) as well, but it was removed due to build breakage followed
> by inactivity from upstream. There's some discussion on whether bring it
> back or not at http://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1116043.

Interesting discussion. It'd be said if KDE wouldn't have any integrated IM
set...

> > On-line accounts in KDE control center allow me to add Google account and
> > it can access Drive and YouTube. Nothing more. Using gdrive:/ in Dolphin
> > lists
> Do you have kio-gdrive installed?

Yes, I do.

> > settings, removing contacts, etc). Is it worth of reporting?
>
> You might want to report it upstream, although development activity is
> really low.

OK, if I get usable backtrace, I'll.

> > So do we have among our packages anything reliably working with Google
> > Hangouts? I don't prefer to use it through web browser as I use KMail (so
> > no
> There's no support to Hangouts in either KTP or kopete, in general, IIRC.
> It's a proprietary walled garden, so this doesn't surprise me.

Yes, I agree, but franz mentioned by Knurpht or YakYak make it working...
I'm not happy about need of using it, but I'm involved in two organizations,
where Google Apps (or what's the name of that set now) is heavily used...

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Re: Hangouts, XMPP and KDE on-line accounts

Luca Beltrame
In data giovedì 22 novembre 2018 14:53:53 CET, Vojt?ch Zeisek ha scritto:

> Interesting discussion. It'd be said if KDE wouldn't have any integrated IM
> set...

Personally I'm not too keen on maintaining something that's close to
abandoned. Of course other team members disagree with that.

> > Do you have kio-gdrive installed?
> Yes, I do.

Do you mean you can't use gdrive from Dolphin? I tried it a while ago and it
"seemed" to work (I don't host anything important there).

> Yes, I agree, but franz mentioned by Knurpht or YakYak make it working...

My guess is that someone there took the effort to reverse-engineer how it
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Vojtěch Zeisek-2
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Dne čtvrtek 22. listopadu 2018 14:25:37 CET, Knurpht-openSUSE napsal(a):
> Op donderdag 22 november 2018 14:14:51 CET schreef Vojtěch Zeisek:
> > So do we have among our packages anything reliably working with Google
> > Hangouts? I don't prefer to use it through web browser as I use KMail (so
> > no webmail) and generally rather desktop clients. Full integration into
> > KDE would also be nice, but I need at least anything working...
>
> Franz is capable of doing quite a lot of what you describe, the number of
> services it can handle has significantly grown over the year that I've been
> using it.

I installed it from Your repository, but on the very first screen after
startup it requires some extra account. Is it some sort of Franz account?
There is not much information on the screen. Does it require such app account
to access anything else? This is weird.

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Vojtěch Zeisek-2
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Dne čtvrtek 22. listopadu 2018 14:57:12 CET, Luca Beltrame napsal(a):
> In data giovedì 22 novembre 2018 14:53:53 CET, Vojt?ch Zeisek ha scritto:
> > Interesting discussion. It'd be said if KDE wouldn't have any integrated
> > IM set...
>
> Personally I'm not too keen on maintaining something that's close to
> abandoned. Of course other team members disagree with that.

I see...

> > > Do you have kio-gdrive installed?
> >
> > Yes, I do.
>
> Do you mean you can't use gdrive from Dolphin? I tried it a while ago and
> it "seemed" to work (I don't host anything important there).

Exactly.

> > Yes, I agree, but franz mentioned by Knurpht or YakYak make it working...
>
> My guess is that someone there took the effort to reverse-engineer how it
> worked.

Probably. YakYak writes on the web that it is masking itself as iOS client,
using Hangouts API. I'm not sure what does this mean in practice, thought...

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Knurpht-openSUSE
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Op donderdag 22 november 2018 15:02:13 CET schreef Vojtěch Zeisek:

> Dne čtvrtek 22. listopadu 2018 14:25:37 CET, Knurpht-openSUSE napsal(a):
> > Op donderdag 22 november 2018 14:14:51 CET schreef Vojtěch Zeisek:
> > > So do we have among our packages anything reliably working with Google
> > > Hangouts? I don't prefer to use it through web browser as I use KMail
> > > (so
> > > no webmail) and generally rather desktop clients. Full integration into
> > > KDE would also be nice, but I need at least anything working...
> >
> > Franz is capable of doing quite a lot of what you describe, the number of
> > services it can handle has significantly grown over the year that I've
> > been
> > using it.
>
> I installed it from Your repository, but on the very first screen after
> startup it requires some extra account. Is it some sort of Franz account?
> There is not much information on the screen. Does it require such app
> account to access anything else? This is weird.
To be honest, I had to look this up, and yes it does. For more info:
https://meetfranz.com/

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Vojtěch Zeisek-2
Dne čtvrtek 22. listopadu 2018 15:16:55 CET, Knurpht-openSUSE napsal(a):

> Op donderdag 22 november 2018 15:02:13 CET schreef Vojtěch Zeisek:
> > Dne čtvrtek 22. listopadu 2018 14:25:37 CET, Knurpht-openSUSE napsal(a):
> > > Op donderdag 22 november 2018 14:14:51 CET schreef Vojtěch Zeisek:
> > > > So do we have among our packages anything reliably working with
> > > > Google Hangouts? I don't prefer to use it through web browser as
> > > > I use KMail (so no webmail) and generally rather desktop clients.
> > > > Full integration into KDE would also be nice, but I need at least
> > > > anything working...
> > >
> > > Franz is capable of doing quite a lot of what you describe, the
> > > number of services it can handle has significantly grown over the
> > > year that I've been using it.
> >
> > I installed it from Your repository, but on the very first screen after
> > startup it requires some extra account. Is it some sort of Franz account?
> > There is not much information on the screen. Does it require such app
> > account to access anything else? This is weird.
>
> To be honest, I had to look this up, and yes it does. For more info:
> https://meetfranz.com/
Hm, I don't see reason to sign to some account to use other accounts. It
doesn't make sense for desktop application. On their web I see only "Franz 5
*offers* built in service synchronization. Just sign in to your Franz account
and you are ready to go." I don't really see the requirement...?
Well, there is corresponding discussion on Github:
https://github.com/meetfranz/franz/issues/1077
https://github.com/meetfranz/franz/issues/71
https://github.com/meetfranz/franz/issues/894
I wouldn't mind to pay for it, but I don't see why should I need 3rd party
account, especially if there is Google Analytics on the way. No, thanks.

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Knurpht-openSUSE
Op donderdag 22 november 2018 15:40:27 CET schreef Vojtěch Zeisek:

> Dne čtvrtek 22. listopadu 2018 15:16:55 CET, Knurpht-openSUSE napsal(a):
> > Op donderdag 22 november 2018 15:02:13 CET schreef Vojtěch Zeisek:
> > > Dne čtvrtek 22. listopadu 2018 14:25:37 CET, Knurpht-openSUSE napsal(a):
> > > > Op donderdag 22 november 2018 14:14:51 CET schreef Vojtěch Zeisek:
> > > > > So do we have among our packages anything reliably working with
> > > > > Google Hangouts? I don't prefer to use it through web browser as
> > > > > I use KMail (so no webmail) and generally rather desktop clients.
> > > > > Full integration into KDE would also be nice, but I need at least
> > > > > anything working...
> > > >
> > > > Franz is capable of doing quite a lot of what you describe, the
> > > > number of services it can handle has significantly grown over the
> > > > year that I've been using it.
> > >
> > > I installed it from Your repository, but on the very first screen after
> > > startup it requires some extra account. Is it some sort of Franz
> > > account?
> > > There is not much information on the screen. Does it require such app
> > > account to access anything else? This is weird.
> >
> > To be honest, I had to look this up, and yes it does. For more info:
> > https://meetfranz.com/
>
> Hm, I don't see reason to sign to some account to use other accounts. It
> doesn't make sense for desktop application. On their web I see only "Franz 5
> *offers* built in service synchronization. Just sign in to your Franz
> account and you are ready to go." I don't really see the requirement...?
> Well, there is corresponding discussion on Github:
> https://github.com/meetfranz/franz/issues/1077
> https://github.com/meetfranz/franz/issues/71
> https://github.com/meetfranz/franz/issues/894
> I wouldn't mind to pay for it, but I don't see why should I need 3rd party
> account, especially if there is Google Analytics on the way. No, thanks.
The sense in it is that people using multiple machines, use their Franz
account to login and will be able to use the same 42 services on all those
machines, without having to set them up per machine.
But, I understand your doubts here completely.

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Vojtěch Zeisek-2
Dne čtvrtek 22. listopadu 2018 15:48:54 CET, Knurpht-openSUSE napsal(a):

> Op donderdag 22 november 2018 15:40:27 CET schreef Vojtěch Zeisek:
> > Dne čtvrtek 22. listopadu 2018 15:16:55 CET, Knurpht-openSUSE napsal(a):
> > > Op donderdag 22 november 2018 15:02:13 CET schreef Vojtěch Zeisek:
> > > > Dne čtvrtek 22. listopadu 2018 14:25:37 CET, Knurpht-openSUSE
> > > > napsal(a):
> > > > > Op donderdag 22 november 2018 14:14:51 CET schreef Vojtěch Zeisek:
> > > > > > So do we have among our packages anything reliably working with
> > > > > > Google Hangouts? I don't prefer to use it through web browser as
> > > > > > I use KMail (so no webmail) and generally rather desktop clients.
> > > > > > Full integration into KDE would also be nice, but I need at least
> > > > > > anything working...
> > > > >
> > > > > Franz is capable of doing quite a lot of what you describe,
> > > > > the number of services it can handle has significantly grown
> > > > > over the year that I've been using it.
> > > >
> > > > I installed it from Your repository, but on the very first screen
> > > > after startup it requires some extra account. Is it some sort of
> > > > Franz account? There is not much information on the screen. Does
> > > > it require such app account to access anything else? This is weird.
> > >
> > > To be honest, I had to look this up, and yes it does. For more info:
> > > https://meetfranz.com/
> >
> > Hm, I don't see reason to sign to some account to use other accounts. It
> > doesn't make sense for desktop application. On their web I see only "Franz
> > 5 *offers* built in service synchronization. Just sign in to your Franz
> > account and you are ready to go." I don't really see the requirement...?
> > Well, there is corresponding discussion on Github:
> > https://github.com/meetfranz/franz/issues/1077
> > https://github.com/meetfranz/franz/issues/71
> > https://github.com/meetfranz/franz/issues/894
> > I wouldn't mind to pay for it, but I don't see why should I need 3rd party
> > account, especially if there is Google Analytics on the way. No, thanks.
>
> The sense in it is that people using multiple machines, use their Franz
> account to login and will be able to use the same 42 services on all those
> machines, without having to set them up per machine.
Sure, but if it'd be optional or paid feature... Anyway, too OT already...

> But, I understand your doubts here completely.

So it means there is no really usable solution to the original question...

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On 22/11/2018 14.14, Vojtěch Zeisek wrote:

> Hi,
> I wonder which options do we have for instant messaging (KDE, TW). I'd prefer
> KDE application. I need Google Hangouts (more accounts on custom domains), I
> can live without calling. If the application would work for XMPP/Jabber, the
> better. If also for IRC, the best.
> On-line accounts in KDE control center allow me to add Google account and it
> can access Drive and YouTube. Nothing more. Using gdrive:/ in Dolphin lists
> accounts, but accessing them fails with "unknown error". Well, no Hangouts
> available here. Do I miss some required package? KDE on-line accounts allow me
> to add Google, ownCloud or Twitter. Nothing else.
> I looked at https://en.opensuse.org/KDE_Telepathy but telepathy-kde doesn't
> exist anymore (https://software.opensuse.org/search doesn't find it). Wasn't
> Telepathy responsible for the chatting part of KDE on-line accounts? Do we
> have anything working based on Telepathy (Empathy?)?
> I tried Kopete. It doesn't seem to be very maintained either (in KDE3 and 4 it
> used to be my favorite chatting application) and since the antispam module is
> missing, bots are very annoying there. Hangouts doesn't work there and the
> application is frequently crashing (when editing account settings, removing
> contacts, etc). Is it worth of reporting?
> I tried Pidgin, but Hangouts didn't work for me and its privacy/antispam
> settings doesn't work very well.
> Finally I tried YakYak https://github.com/yakyak/yakyak It seems to be working
> well, but it can use only one Google Hangouts account (I need two) and nothing
> else.
> So do we have among our packages anything reliably working with Google
> Hangouts? I don't prefer to use it through web browser as I use KMail (so no
> webmail) and generally rather desktop clients. Full integration into KDE would
> also be nice, but I need at least anything working...

I use konversation, the KDE IRC client together with
https://github.com/mtomwing/pickups for the Hangouts connection and
https://www.bitlbee.org/ for some other services. I have hopes on
http://matrix.org/ providing even better and more integrations in the
future.
https://build.opensuse.org/project/show/network:messaging:matrix
provides the development project for server and client packages. E.g.
matrix-quaternion is a Qt client which should at least integrate
somewhat into a plasma session.
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Am Donnerstag, 22. November 2018, 14:14:51 schrieb Vojtěch Zeisek:
> I looked at https://en.opensuse.org/KDE_Telepathy but telepathy-kde doesn't
> exist anymore (https://software.opensuse.org/search doesn't find it).

It is still available (and up-to-date) in the KDE:Applications repo, URL for
Tumbleweed is:
https://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/Applications/openSUSE_Factory_standard/

IIANM, we currently don't have a pattern ("telepathy-kde") to install it
though, you'd need to pick the the ktp-* packages manually.

That is mentioned at that page btw, it refers to a forum post of mine:
https://forums.opensuse.org/showthread.php/531751-help-get-telepathy-kde-instant-messaging-applet?p=2870744#post2870744

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Vojtěch Zeisek-2
Dne pondělí 26. listopadu 2018 12:44:30 CET, Wolfgang Bauer napsal(a):
> Am Donnerstag, 22. November 2018, 14:14:51 schrieb Vojtěch Zeisek:
> > I looked at https://en.opensuse.org/KDE_Telepathy but telepathy-kde
> > doesn't exist anymore (https://software.opensuse.org/search doesn't
> > find it).
>
> It is still available (and up-to-date) in the KDE:Applications repo, URL for
> Tumbleweed is:
> https://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/Applications/openSUSE_Factor
> y_standard/

Ah, might be I was searching for wrong term... Can You or someone comment how
well does it work for Google Hangouts?

> IIANM, we currently don't have a pattern ("telepathy-kde") to install it
> though, you'd need to pick the the ktp-* packages manually.

There is https://software.opensuse.org/package/patterns-openSUSE-kde_telepathy 
but only in home projects.

> That is mentioned at that page btw, it refers to a forum post of mine:
> https://forums.opensuse.org/showthread.php/531751-help-get-telepathy-kde-ins
> tant-messaging-applet?p=2870744#post2870744

I was confused by inability to find the packages, so I thought the situation
has changed...

> Kind Regards,
> Wolfgang
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Vojtěch Zeisek-2
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Dne sobota 24. listopadu 2018 18:00:33 CET, Oliver Kurz napsal(a):

> On 22/11/2018 14.14, Vojtěch Zeisek wrote:
> > Hi,
> > I wonder which options do we have for instant messaging (KDE, TW). I'd
> > prefer KDE application. I need Google Hangouts (more accounts on custom
> > domains), I can live without calling. If the application would work for
> > XMPP/Jabber, the better. If also for IRC, the best.
> > On-line accounts in KDE control center allow me to add Google account and
> > it can access Drive and YouTube. Nothing more. Using gdrive:/ in Dolphin
> > lists accounts, but accessing them fails with "unknown error". Well, no
> > Hangouts available here. Do I miss some required package? KDE on-line
> > accounts allow me to add Google, ownCloud or Twitter. Nothing else.
> > I looked at https://en.opensuse.org/KDE_Telepathy but telepathy-kde
> > doesn't
> > exist anymore (https://software.opensuse.org/search doesn't find it).
> > Wasn't Telepathy responsible for the chatting part of KDE on-line
> > accounts? Do we have anything working based on Telepathy (Empathy?)?
> > I tried Kopete. It doesn't seem to be very maintained either (in KDE3 and
> > 4 it used to be my favorite chatting application) and since the antispam
> > module is missing, bots are very annoying there. Hangouts doesn't work
> > there and the application is frequently crashing (when editing account
> > settings, removing contacts, etc). Is it worth of reporting?
> > I tried Pidgin, but Hangouts didn't work for me and its privacy/antispam
> > settings doesn't work very well.
> > Finally I tried YakYak https://github.com/yakyak/yakyak It seems to be
> > working well, but it can use only one Google Hangouts account (I need
> > two) and nothing else.
> > So do we have among our packages anything reliably working with Google
> > Hangouts? I don't prefer to use it through web browser as I use KMail (so
> > no webmail) and generally rather desktop clients. Full integration into
> > KDE would also be nice, but I need at least anything working...
>
> I use konversation, the KDE IRC client together with
> https://github.com/mtomwing/pickups for the Hangouts connection and
> https://www.bitlbee.org/ for some other services. I have hopes on
> http://matrix.org/ providing even better and more integrations in the
> future.
> https://build.opensuse.org/project/show/network:messaging:matrix
> provides the development project for server and client packages. E.g.
> matrix-quaternion is a Qt client which should at least integrate
> somewhat into a plasma session.
As I also use Konversation, this is very interesting concept to try. So I have
to install bitlbee (it seems it should have Google Hangouts support) or matrix
server and then use Konversation or Quaternion to access the Hangouts?
Especially for the Matrix I'm still bit confused how it works regarding
Hangouts, where is my password traveling around and so on...

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Oliver Kurz-2


On 26/11/2018 18.01, Vojtěch Zeisek wrote:

> Dne sobota 24. listopadu 2018 18:00:33 CET, Oliver Kurz napsal(a):
>> On 22/11/2018 14.14, Vojtěch Zeisek wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> I wonder which options do we have for instant messaging (KDE, TW). I'd
>>> prefer KDE application. I need Google Hangouts (more accounts on custom
>>> domains), I can live without calling. If the application would work for
>>> XMPP/Jabber, the better. If also for IRC, the best.
>>> On-line accounts in KDE control center allow me to add Google account and
>>> it can access Drive and YouTube. Nothing more. Using gdrive:/ in Dolphin
>>> lists accounts, but accessing them fails with "unknown error". Well, no
>>> Hangouts available here. Do I miss some required package? KDE on-line
>>> accounts allow me to add Google, ownCloud or Twitter. Nothing else.
>>> I looked at https://en.opensuse.org/KDE_Telepathy but telepathy-kde
>>> doesn't
>>> exist anymore (https://software.opensuse.org/search doesn't find it).
>>> Wasn't Telepathy responsible for the chatting part of KDE on-line
>>> accounts? Do we have anything working based on Telepathy (Empathy?)?
>>> I tried Kopete. It doesn't seem to be very maintained either (in KDE3 and
>>> 4 it used to be my favorite chatting application) and since the antispam
>>> module is missing, bots are very annoying there. Hangouts doesn't work
>>> there and the application is frequently crashing (when editing account
>>> settings, removing contacts, etc). Is it worth of reporting?
>>> I tried Pidgin, but Hangouts didn't work for me and its privacy/antispam
>>> settings doesn't work very well.
>>> Finally I tried YakYak https://github.com/yakyak/yakyak It seems to be
>>> working well, but it can use only one Google Hangouts account (I need
>>> two) and nothing else.
>>> So do we have among our packages anything reliably working with Google
>>> Hangouts? I don't prefer to use it through web browser as I use KMail (so
>>> no webmail) and generally rather desktop clients. Full integration into
>>> KDE would also be nice, but I need at least anything working...
>>
>> I use konversation, the KDE IRC client together with
>> https://github.com/mtomwing/pickups for the Hangouts connection and
>> https://www.bitlbee.org/ for some other services. I have hopes on
>> http://matrix.org/ providing even better and more integrations in the
>> future.
>> https://build.opensuse.org/project/show/network:messaging:matrix
>> provides the development project for server and client packages. E.g.
>> matrix-quaternion is a Qt client which should at least integrate
>> somewhat into a plasma session.
>
> As I also use Konversation, this is very interesting concept to try. So I have
> to install bitlbee (it seems it should have Google Hangouts support) or matrix
> server and then use Konversation or Quaternion to access the Hangouts?
> Especially for the Matrix I'm still bit confused how it works regarding
> Hangouts, where is my password traveling around and so on...

With konversation I currently connect to IRC servers, a local pickups
session for Hangouts and a remote bitlbee instance. I am not directly
using Matrix in this setup. However, I use the android app "Riot" to
connect over the matrix.org server to the freenode IRC rooms I am also
in with konversation.
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Wolfgang Bauer
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Am Montag, 26. November 2018, 17:28:54 schrieb Vojtěch Zeisek:

> Dne pondělí 26. listopadu 2018 12:44:30 CET, Wolfgang Bauer napsal(a):
> > Am Donnerstag, 22. November 2018, 14:14:51 schrieb Vojtěch Zeisek:
> > > I looked at https://en.opensuse.org/KDE_Telepathy but telepathy-kde
> > > doesn't exist anymore (https://software.opensuse.org/search doesn't
> > > find it).
> >
> > It is still available (and up-to-date) in the KDE:Applications repo, URL
> > for Tumbleweed is:
> > https://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/Applications/openSUSE_Fact
> > or y_standard/
>
> Ah, might be I was searching for wrong term... Can You or someone comment
> how well does it work for Google Hangouts?

Sorry, I can't.

> > IIANM, we currently don't have a pattern ("telepathy-kde") to install it
> > though, you'd need to pick the the ktp-* packages manually.
>
> There is
> https://software.opensuse.org/package/patterns-openSUSE-kde_telepathy but
> only in home projects.

Well, actually we never had a *pattern* anyway, but we had a meta-package
"telepathy-kde" in the past, that was empty and only required some other
packages.

Not much difference in principle (a pattern actually just is a meta-package
that requires/recommends other things), except that it wouldn't show up in the
"Patterns" view in YaST.

We should reinstate that I suppose.

JFYI, that meta-package pulled in these packages:
Requires:       ktp-accounts-kcm
Requires:       ktp-approver
Requires:       ktp-auth-handler
Requires:       ktp-common-internals
Requires:       ktp-contact-list
Requires:       ktp-contact-runner
Requires:       ktp-desktop-applets
Requires:       ktp-filetransfer-handler
Requires:       ktp-icons
Requires:       ktp-kded-module
Requires:       ktp-send-file
Requires:       ktp-text-ui
Requires:       mjpegtools
Requires:       telepathy-gabble
Requires:       telepathy-mission-control

I'm not sure if all of these are really required though.

> > That is mentioned at that page btw, it refers to a forum post of mine:
> > https://forums.opensuse.org/showthread.php/531751-help-get-telepathy-kde-i
> > ns tant-messaging-applet?p=2870744#post2870744
>
> I was confused by inability to find the packages, so I thought the situation
> has changed...

Since that forum post, nothing has changed yet.
 
Kind Regards,
Wolfgang

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