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42.1 and 32 bit

Andreas Hoffmann-2
Dear all,

does for the upcomming version 42.1 a 32 bit version will be available?
Nor for milestone 1 I only can find a x64 version.

If 32 bit will be availalbe later on which stage of the development it
is to be expected?

Beta? RC?

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Re: 42.1 and 32 bit

Stephan Kulow-3
On 27.08.2015 11:34, Andreas Hoffmann wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> does for the upcomming version 42.1 a 32 bit version will be available?
> Nor for milestone 1 I only can find a x64 version.
>
> If 32 bit will be availalbe later on which stage of the development it
> is to be expected?
>
> Beta? RC?
I don't plan to create one at all

Greetings, Stephan

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Re: 42.1 and 32 bit

Per Jessen
Stephan Kulow wrote:

> On 27.08.2015 11:34, Andreas Hoffmann wrote:
>> Dear all,
>>
>> does for the upcomming version 42.1 a 32 bit version will be
>> available? Nor for milestone 1 I only can find a x64 version.
>>
>> If 32 bit will be availalbe later on which stage of the development
>> it is to be expected?
>>
>> Beta? RC?
> I don't plan to create one at all
>

That's a pity.


/Per

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Re: 42.1 and 32 bit

Carlos E. R.-3
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On 2015-08-27 13:48, Per Jessen wrote:
> Stephan Kulow wrote:

>>> Beta? RC?
>> I don't plan to create one at all
>>
>
> That's a pity.

Indeed. I have 32 bit servers.

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Re: 42.1 and 32 bit

Andreas Hoffmann-2
And for me its the usage in small VMs, as 32 bit versions do need less RAM.

Greetings
Andreas

On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 2:05 PM, Carlos E. R. <[hidden email]> wrote:

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> On 2015-08-27 13:48, Per Jessen wrote:
>> Stephan Kulow wrote:
>
>>>> Beta? RC?
>>> I don't plan to create one at all
>>>
>>
>> That's a pity.
>
> Indeed. I have 32 bit servers.
>
> - --
> Cheers / Saludos,
>
>                 Carlos E. R.
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Re: 42.1 and 32 bit

Per Jessen
Andreas Hoffmann wrote:

> And for me its the usage in small VMs, as 32 bit versions do need less
> RAM.
>

Absolutely. My reasons are -

- 32bit VMs
- 32bit-only hardware (currently firewalls, and Asterisk system and some
mythtv boxes).
- running many 32bit apps (on 64bit hardware).

(I have not yet attempted to run e.g. postfix-32bit under 64bit
openSUSE).


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Re: 42.1 and 32 bit

Basil Chupin-2
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On 27/08/15 22:05, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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> On 2015-08-27 13:48, Per Jessen wrote:
>> Stephan Kulow wrote:
>>>> Beta? RC?
>>> I don't plan to create one at all
>>>
>> That's a pity.
> Indeed. I have 32 bit servers.

I really do not know what you were expecting. Afterall, you are simply a
user :-) .

I learnt a new acronym today: DILLIGAF. The changes in KDE5 appear to be
in this category - and it may be spreading.....

BC


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Re: 42.1 and 32 bit

Dsant-2
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Same for me, I use 32 bits old laptops, because of price $ $ $

Dsant, from France


On 08/27/2015 02:09 PM, Andreas Hoffmann wrote:

> And for me its the usage in small VMs, as 32 bit versions do need less RAM.
>
> Greetings
> Andreas
>
> On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 2:05 PM, Carlos E. R. <[hidden email]> wrote:
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>> On 2015-08-27 13:48, Per Jessen wrote:
>>> Stephan Kulow wrote:
>>>>> Beta? RC?
>>>> I don't plan to create one at all
>>>>
>>> That's a pity.
>> Indeed. I have 32 bit servers.
>>
>> - --
>> Cheers / Saludos,
>>
>>                  Carlos E. R.
>>
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Re: 42.1 and 32 bit

Carl Symons
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On 08/27/2015 06:48 AM, Basil Chupin wrote:

> On 27/08/15 22:05, Carlos E. R. wrote:
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>> On 2015-08-27 13:48, Per Jessen wrote:
>>> Stephan Kulow wrote:
>>>>> Beta? RC?
>>>> I don't plan to create one at all
>>>>
>>> That's a pity.
>> Indeed. I have 32 bit servers.
>
> I really do not know what you were expecting. Afterall, you are simply
> a user :-) .
>
> I learnt a new acronym today: DILLIGAF. The changes in KDE5 appear to
> be in this category - and it may be spreading.....
>
> BC
>
>
Clever :^|
What does the acronym stand for?
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Re: 42.1 and 32 bit

Dsant-2

On 08/27/2015 04:27 PM, Carl Symons wrote:

> On 08/27/2015 06:48 AM, Basil Chupin wrote:
>> On 27/08/15 22:05, Carlos E. R. wrote:
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>>> On 2015-08-27 13:48, Per Jessen wrote:
>>>> Stephan Kulow wrote:
>>>>>> Beta? RC?
>>>>> I don't plan to create one at all
>>>>>
>>>> That's a pity.
>>> Indeed. I have 32 bit servers.
>>
>> I really do not know what you were expecting. Afterall, you are
>> simply a user :-) .
>>
>> I learnt a new acronym today: DILLIGAF. The changes in KDE5 appear to
>> be in this category - and it may be spreading.....
>>
>> BC
>>
>>
> Clever :^|
> What does the acronym stand for?

"It's an acronym for: Does It Look Like I Give a F@#k!!!!"

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Re: 42.1 and 32 bit

Patrick Shanahan-2
* Dsant <[hidden email]> [08-27-15 10:30]:

>
> On 08/27/2015 04:27 PM, Carl Symons wrote:
> >On 08/27/2015 06:48 AM, Basil Chupin wrote:
> >>On 27/08/15 22:05, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> >>>On 2015-08-27 13:48, Per Jessen wrote:
> >>>>Stephan Kulow wrote:
> >>>>>>Beta? RC?
> >>>>>I don't plan to create one at all
> >>>>>
> >>>>That's a pity.
> >>>Indeed. I have 32 bit servers.
> >>
> >>I really do not know what you were expecting. Afterall, you are simply a
> >>user :-) .
> >>
> >>I learnt a new acronym today: DILLIGAF. The changes in KDE5 appear to be
> >>in this category - and it may be spreading.....
> >>
> >>BC
> >>
> >>
> >Clever :^|
> >What does the acronym stand for?
>
> "It's an acronym for: Does It Look Like I Give a F@#k!!!!"

And is certainly uncalled for here.  It is the type of post that *should*
remain on the OPs computer and reflects *only* on his character.  Shame.
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Re: 42.1 and 32 bit

Carl Symons
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On 08/27/2015 06:48 AM, Basil Chupin wrote:

> On 27/08/15 22:05, Carlos E. R. wrote:
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>> On 2015-08-27 13:48, Per Jessen wrote:
>>> Stephan Kulow wrote:
>>>>> Beta? RC?
>>>> I don't plan to create one at all
>>>>
>>> That's a pity.
>> Indeed. I have 32 bit servers.
>
> I really do not know what you were expecting. Afterall, you are simply
> a user :-) .
>
> I learnt a new acronym today: DILLIGAF. The changes in KDE5 appear to
> be in this category - and it may be spreading.....
>
> BC
>
>
I do some work with KDE and with openSUSE, and I don't share your view
that KDE doesn't seem to care about people who are just users. I'm
skeptical that anyone with KDE said that they don't care about whatever
issue was raised with them.

Your comment comes across to me as a gratuitous insult. It doesn't help
openSUSE nor will it make any difference with KDE.

I'm interested in what prompted your comment about KDE. Would you please
send some pertinent background information to me in a personal message?
I'm reasonably sure that I can do something within KDE with any
substance with merit.

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Re: 42.1 and 32 bit

Knurpht-openSUSE
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Op donderdag 27 augustus 2015 23:48:40 schreef Basil Chupin:
> I learnt a new acronym today: DILLIGAF. The changes in KDE5 appear to be
> in this category - and it may be spreading.....
>
> BC

In my not so humble opinion you're crossing the lines of decent behaviour and
respect. If you want  to have the debate this way, it would have been polite
to invite the KDE devs.

An apology would be apropriate.

My 2 cents


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Re: 42.1 and 32 bit

Werner Flamme
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Stephan Kulow [27.08.2015 12:27]:

> On 27.08.2015 11:34, Andreas Hoffmann wrote:
>> Dear all,
>>
>> does for the upcomming version 42.1 a 32 bit version will be available?
>> Nor for milestone 1 I only can find a x64 version.
>>
>> If 32 bit will be availalbe later on which stage of the development it
>> is to be expected?
>>
>> Beta? RC?
> I don't plan to create one at all
>
> Greetings, Stephan
>
I see. Since SLE 12 is 64 bit only, it would be quite a lot of work to
create a 32 bit branch for Leap.

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Re: 42.1 and 32 bit

Felix Miata-3
Werner Flamme composed on 2015-08-28 06:48 (UTC+0200):

> Stephan Kulow composed:

>>> If 32 bit will be availalbe later on which stage of the development it
>>> is to be expected?

>>> Beta? RC?

>> I don't plan to create one at all

> I see. Since SLE 12 is 64 bit only, it would be quite a lot of work to
> create a 32 bit branch for Leap.

If I understand this, it means 32 bit users when 13.2 support and Evergreen
support expire either switch to another distro, switch to the rolling release
TW, or risk non-support?
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Re: 42.1 and 32 bit

Ondřej Súkup
32bit x86 , last officially released desktop/laptop cpu was released
in 2010 , all 32bit consumer CPU are behind moral and physical service
life .
+ No one report or repairs bug on 32bit openSUSE .

On 28 August 2015 at 08:04, Felix Miata <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Werner Flamme composed on 2015-08-28 06:48 (UTC+0200):
>
>> Stephan Kulow composed:
>
>>>> If 32 bit will be availalbe later on which stage of the development it
>>>> is to be expected?
>
>>>> Beta? RC?
>
>>> I don't plan to create one at all
>
>> I see. Since SLE 12 is 64 bit only, it would be quite a lot of work to
>> create a 32 bit branch for Leap.
>
> If I understand this, it means 32 bit users when 13.2 support and Evergreen
> support expire either switch to another distro, switch to the rolling release
> TW, or risk non-support?
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Re: 42.1 and 32 bit

Felix Miata-3
Ondřej Súkup composed on 2015-08-28 08:25 (UTC+0200):

> + No one report or repairs bug on 32bit openSUSE .

That's false. I file openSUSE bugs, and when I do, they're nearly always
either filed against PC, X86, or i686, rarely against x86_64, IOW, most often
on 32 bit, which is where I do most testing, and what I run to type this.
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Re: 42.1 and 32 bit

Felix Miata-3
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Ondřej Súkup composed on 2015-08-28 08:25 (UTC+0200):

> all 32bit consumer CPU are behind moral and physical service life .

Morals must be different in your country than in mine. There's no moral or
physical reason here to junk a PC just because it's 5 years old. My newest of
many functioning test PCs running openSUSE was manufactured ~6 years ago. The
motherboard I'm typing this with is about 7-8 years old. When caps go bad, I
replace the caps, not the motherboard. It's an eco-friendly way of life,
maybe using more energy daily, but less energy in recycling processes, less
consumption of scarce resources, and less energy and waste in landfill
management.
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Re: 42.1 and 32 bit

Michal Kubecek
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On Friday 28 of August 2015 02:04:31 Felix Miata wrote:
>
> If I understand this, it means 32 bit users when 13.2 support and
> Evergreen support expire either switch to another distro

...or switch to the native architecture, finally.

> switch to the rolling release TW...

I guess the only thing that really surprises me is that dropping i586
hasn't been done in Tumbleweed first.

> or risk non-support?

As I wrote already some time ago, I'm not very confident about the level
of i586 openSUSE support we have been providing for the last few years.
Sure, we may run it through openQA (actually, I'm not even sure about
that) but how many beta testers run it on their machines (compared to
x86_64)? How likely are you going to get help with an i586-specific bug?
I, for one, would have to install such system first as I haven't been
running one for years. And I wouldn't be too happy about it as 32-bit
address space is severely limiting which requires a lot of ugly hacks,
hindering the debugging severely.

I'm afraid discontinuing i586 would be something I would call
acknowledging the state of things and stopping pretending rather than
some big and groundbreaking step.

                                                          Michal Kubeček

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Re: 42.1 and 32 bit

Michal Kubecek
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On Friday 28 of August 2015 02:42:56 Felix Miata wrote:
> Ondřej Súkup composed on 2015-08-28 08:25 (UTC+0200):
> > all 32bit consumer CPU are behind moral and physical service life .
>
> Morals must be different in your country than in mine. There's no
> moral or physical reason here to junk a PC just because it's 5 years
> old. My newest of many functioning test PCs running openSUSE was
> manufactured ~6 years ago. The motherboard I'm typing this with is
> about 7-8 years old.

And I'm just going to reuse a motherboard/CPU I bought around 2006. My
wife's machine has CPU I bought in 2005. Guess what... both are 64-bit.
Even most of 5-8 year old machines are actually 64-bit. You would have
to either carefully pick or dig even deeper (10+ years) to get hardware
which is really 32-bit.

And that's the point: most of those still running i586 distributions do
run them on 64-bit capable hardware - because they believe

  (a) they don't need x86_64 unless they have >4GB of memory
  (b) it consumes less memory
  (c) it consumes less disk space

In reality, x86_64 has a lot of advantages even without 4GB of memory,
the memory footprint difference is (except specially crafted examples)
not worth the hassle and the disk usage argument doesn't even deserve a
comment.

Sure, there is still some ancient 32-bit hardware around. But should we
dedicate our limited resources to supporting it for years to come? I'm
not sure it's worth the effort.

                                                         Michal Kubeček

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