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13.1 GM

Basil Chupin-2
The release of 13.1 is now well overdue so can I/we assume that there
will be no GM but that the next release will be the final product, GA?

BC

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Re: 13.1 GM

Larry Finger
On 11/10/2013 07:19 PM, Basil Chupin wrote:
> The release of 13.1 is now well overdue so can I/we assume that there will be no
> GM but that the next release will be the final product, GA?

There is never a difference between GM and GA, other than the publicity.

Did you see the Email from Coolo that announced the locking of the 13.1 repos on
Nov. 8? In it, he announced that it was GM. Running 'zypper up' on RC2 gets you
GM, and the final release.

Larry


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Re: 13.1 GM

Basil Chupin-2
On 11/11/13 12:26, Larry Finger wrote:

> On 11/10/2013 07:19 PM, Basil Chupin wrote:
>> The release of 13.1 is now well overdue so can I/we assume that there
>> will be no
>> GM but that the next release will be the final product, GA?
>
> There is never a difference between GM and GA, other than the publicity.
>
> Did you see the Email from Coolo that announced the locking of the
> 13.1 repos on Nov. 8? In it, he announced that it was GM. Running
> 'zypper up' on RC2 gets you GM, and the final release.
>
> Larry

Thanks Larry. Yes I did see his e-mail - but I am also looking here:

http://en.opensuse.org/Roadmap

which shows a difference between GM and GA - so what is a girl supposed
to conclude? :-)

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Re: 13.1 GM

Larry Finger
On 11/10/2013 07:34 PM, Basil Chupin wrote:
>
> Thanks Larry. Yes I did see his e-mail - but I am also looking here:
>
> http://en.opensuse.org/Roadmap
>
> which shows a difference between GM and GA - so what is a girl supposed to
> conclude? :-)

The difference is that the GM is not released to the general public the way the
GA is. It would be rare for there to be any difference of the content of the iso
files. They will be renamed to get rid of any build info in the file name, but
no change in the code.

Larry


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Re: 13.1 GM

cagsm
Good day, is this 13.1 goldmaster available for fetchability?
The search engines display accessible bits of downloadworthy material.
Query term e.g.
opensuse distribution/13.1/iso/ -milestone0 -milestone1 -milestone2
-milestone3 -milestone4 -rc1 -rc2 -beta1 -beta2 -ports

Is this the real stuff?
<http://mirror.anl.gov/pub/opensuse/opensuse/distribution/13.1/iso/‎>
<http://mirror.optus.net/opensuse/distribution/13.1/iso/>
<http://www.pnms.cn/opensuse/distribution/13.1/iso/>
<http://mirror.switch.ch/ftp/mirror/opensuse/distribution/13.1/iso/>

Also test-list contain some hash to some iso from some day ago.
<https://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-testing/2013-11/>

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Re: 13.1 GM

Stephan Kulow-3
On 13.11.2013 12:58, cagsm wrote:

> Good day, is this 13.1 goldmaster available for fetchability?
> The search engines display accessible bits of downloadworthy material.
> Query term e.g.
> opensuse distribution/13.1/iso/ -milestone0 -milestone1 -milestone2
> -milestone3 -milestone4 -rc1 -rc2 -beta1 -beta2 -ports
>
> Is this the real stuff?
> <http://mirror.anl.gov/pub/opensuse/opensuse/distribution/13.1/iso/‎>
> <http://mirror.optus.net/opensuse/distribution/13.1/iso/>
> <http://www.pnms.cn/opensuse/distribution/13.1/iso/>
> <http://mirror.switch.ch/ftp/mirror/opensuse/distribution/13.1/iso/>
>
I sent the admins a note

Greetings, Stephan



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Re: 13.1 GM

Stephan Kulow-3
On 13.11.2013 13:38, Stephan Kulow wrote:

> On 13.11.2013 12:58, cagsm wrote:
>> Good day, is this 13.1 goldmaster available for fetchability?
>> The search engines display accessible bits of downloadworthy material.
>> Query term e.g.
>> opensuse distribution/13.1/iso/ -milestone0 -milestone1 -milestone2
>> -milestone3 -milestone4 -rc1 -rc2 -beta1 -beta2 -ports
>>
>> Is this the real stuff?
>> <http://mirror.anl.gov/pub/opensuse/opensuse/distribution/13.1/iso/‎>
>> <http://mirror.optus.net/opensuse/distribution/13.1/iso/>
>> <http://www.pnms.cn/opensuse/distribution/13.1/iso/>
>> <http://mirror.switch.ch/ftp/mirror/opensuse/distribution/13.1/iso/>
>>
> I sent the admins a note
>
Actually - none of the ISOs can be downloaded

Greetings, Stephan



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Re: 13.1 GM

cagsm
is downloading illegal? are you calling the lawenforcement or what is
the trouble with it? why not giving us the hashcodes and
metainformation early for us to check on these downloads that are
always somewhere accessible instead of following strict regime of
release dates and stuff :(

On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 2:04 PM, Stephan Kulow <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On 13.11.2013 13:38, Stephan Kulow wrote:
>> On 13.11.2013 12:58, cagsm wrote:
>>> Good day, is this 13.1 goldmaster available for fetchability?
>>> The search engines display accessible bits of downloadworthy material.
>>> Query term e.g.
>>> opensuse distribution/13.1/iso/ -milestone0 -milestone1 -milestone2
>>> -milestone3 -milestone4 -rc1 -rc2 -beta1 -beta2 -ports
>>>
>>> Is this the real stuff?
>>> <http://mirror.anl.gov/pub/opensuse/opensuse/distribution/13.1/iso/‎>
>>> <http://mirror.optus.net/opensuse/distribution/13.1/iso/>
>>> <http://www.pnms.cn/opensuse/distribution/13.1/iso/>
>>> <http://mirror.switch.ch/ftp/mirror/opensuse/distribution/13.1/iso/>
>>>
>> I sent the admins a note
>>
> Actually - none of the ISOs can be downloaded
>
> Greetings, Stephan
>
>
>
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Re: 13.1 GM

Alberto Planas Dominguez
Quoting cagsm <[hidden email]>:

> is downloading illegal? are you calling the lawenforcement or what is
> the trouble with it? why not giving us the hashcodes and
> metainformation early for us to check on these downloads that are
> always somewhere accessible instead of following strict regime of
> release dates and stuff :(

Maybe I am wrong, but what Stephan says is that there is a 403 error  
code, not that is 'illegal' in any sense.

The problem with the release date are the mirrors. We need to give  
time to the mirrors to propagate the data.



> On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 2:04 PM, Stephan Kulow <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> On 13.11.2013 13:38, Stephan Kulow wrote:
>>> On 13.11.2013 12:58, cagsm wrote:
>>>> Good day, is this 13.1 goldmaster available for fetchability?
>>>> The search engines display accessible bits of downloadworthy material.
>>>> Query term e.g.
>>>> opensuse distribution/13.1/iso/ -milestone0 -milestone1 -milestone2
>>>> -milestone3 -milestone4 -rc1 -rc2 -beta1 -beta2 -ports
>>>>
>>>> Is this the real stuff?
>>>> <http://mirror.anl.gov/pub/opensuse/opensuse/distribution/13.1/iso/‎>
>>>> <http://mirror.optus.net/opensuse/distribution/13.1/iso/>
>>>> <http://www.pnms.cn/opensuse/distribution/13.1/iso/>
>>>> <http://mirror.switch.ch/ftp/mirror/opensuse/distribution/13.1/iso/>
>>>>
>>> I sent the admins a note
>>>
>> Actually - none of the ISOs can be downloaded
>>
>> Greetings, Stephan
>>
>>
>>
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Re: 13.1 GM

Bernhard Voelker
In reply to this post by cagsm
[please stop top-posting, this is a technical list.]

> On November 13, 2013 at 2:56 PM cagsm <[hidden email]> wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 2:04 PM, Stephan Kulow <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Actually - none of the ISOs can be downloaded
>
> is downloading illegal? are you calling the lawenforcement or what is
> the trouble with it? why not giving us the hashcodes and
> metainformation early for us to check on these downloads that are
> always somewhere accessible instead of following strict regime of
> release dates and stuff :(

Come on, every time the same lame discussion before a release ...

The release date is simply not yet reached. Period.

Have a nice day,
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Re: 13.1 GM

cagsm
This is retarded I agree with you :). Seriously let the mirrors keep
up with the stuff, thats why we have such stuff as aria and bulk
distro means such as torrents and whatever else. Those things are
dependable and can be hammered and battered much better than single
place of fail servers and stuff. Why not immediately start
distributing the bits on the distributed means as torrents and more
and later opening up mirrors to the classic http-ftp style of people.
how hard is that? also you say release date is not there yet still
opensuse always starts the file repos pretty much immediately after
rc2 or gm state has reached, but isos and the fullfiles or even deltas
are being kept in the dark much longer. this is retarded. you are
right.

On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 3:08 PM, Bernhard Voelker
<[hidden email]> wrote:

> [please stop top-posting, this is a technical list.]
>
>> On November 13, 2013 at 2:56 PM cagsm <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 2:04 PM, Stephan Kulow <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> Actually - none of the ISOs can be downloaded
>>
>> is downloading illegal? are you calling the lawenforcement or what is
>> the trouble with it? why not giving us the hashcodes and
>> metainformation early for us to check on these downloads that are
>> always somewhere accessible instead of following strict regime of
>> release dates and stuff :(
>
> Come on, every time the same lame discussion before a release ...
>
> The release date is simply not yet reached. Period.
>
> Have a nice day,
> Berny
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Re: 13.1 GM

Ken Schneider - openSUSE
On 11/13/2013 09:15 AM, cagsm pecked at the keyboard and wrote:

> This is retarded I agree with you :). Seriously let the mirrors keep
> up with the stuff, thats why we have such stuff as aria and bulk
> distro means such as torrents and whatever else. Those things are
> dependable and can be hammered and battered much better than single
> place of fail servers and stuff. Why not immediately start
> distributing the bits on the distributed means as torrents and more
> and later opening up mirrors to the classic http-ftp style of people.
> how hard is that? also you say release date is not there yet still
> opensuse always starts the file repos pretty much immediately after
> rc2 or gm state has reached, but isos and the fullfiles or even deltas
> are being kept in the dark much longer. this is retarded. you are
> right.

If you cannot wait for the release date then do a net install. That iso
is available.

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Re: 13.1 GM

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Re: 13.1 GM

Carlos E. R.-2
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On Wednesday, 2013-11-13 at 15:15 +0100, cagsm wrote:

> This is retarded I agree with you :). Seriously let the mirrors keep
> up with the stuff, thats why we have such stuff as aria and bulk
> distro means such as torrents and whatever else. Those things are
> dependable and can be hammered and battered much better than single
> place of fail servers and stuff. Why not immediately start

You don't understand. You can't release before all the mirrors have got
their copies ready. If they try to release too early the downloads will
hammer on a very few number of mirrors, because the rest will not be
listed, or if listed they will not have the images, or the paths.

You have to give time for the administrators of the mirrors to prepare the
changes. This time is also used by the marketing team to prepare the
texts. Also you have to write the release notes, license texts... and then
you have to ask the translators to translate, which also take time. Days,
actually.

Please be patient.

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Re: 13.1 GM

cagsm
uhm, thats why they invented torrents like ages ago. releasing the
stuff to masses early potentially gives a hole lot of more and better
early "final" testing in case there is mess with the release. I also
dislike that often opensuse had too many trouble on the final
goldmaster bits especially for install and upgrade scenarios and this
never gets addressed the whole userbase has to wait for the n+1
release of opensuse and pray for salvation that that release wont give
them the trouble the n-release is giving them. debian and others do
re-releases of their stuff over the maintenance period where
especially bugs and their fixes in the installers, bootloaders and
other essential stuff would help the userbase to have a more pleasant
opensuse experience.

On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 5:32 PM, Carlos E. R.
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> On Wednesday, 2013-11-13 at 15:15 +0100, cagsm wrote:
>
>> This is retarded I agree with you :). Seriously let the mirrors keep
>> up with the stuff, thats why we have such stuff as aria and bulk
>> distro means such as torrents and whatever else. Those things are
>> dependable and can be hammered and battered much better than single
>> place of fail servers and stuff. Why not immediately start
>
>
> You don't understand. You can't release before all the mirrors have got
> their copies ready. If they try to release too early the downloads will
> hammer on a very few number of mirrors, because the rest will not be listed,
> or if listed they will not have the images, or the paths.
>
> You have to give time for the administrators of the mirrors to prepare the
> changes. This time is also used by the marketing team to prepare the texts.
> Also you have to write the release notes, license texts... and then you have
> to ask the translators to translate, which also take time. Days, actually.
>
> Please be patient.
>
> - -- Cheers,
>        Carlos E. R.
>        (from 12.3 x86_64 "Dartmouth" at Telcontar)
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Re: 13.1 GM

Bruno Friedmann-2
On Sunday 17 November 2013 17.59:00 cagsm wrote:

> uhm, thats why they invented torrents like ages ago. releasing the
> stuff to masses early potentially gives a hole lot of more and better
> early "final" testing in case there is mess with the release. I also
> dislike that often opensuse had too many trouble on the final
> goldmaster bits especially for install and upgrade scenarios and this
> never gets addressed the whole userbase has to wait for the n+1
> release of opensuse and pray for salvation that that release wont give
> them the trouble the n-release is giving them. debian and others do
> re-releases of their stuff over the maintenance period where
> especially bugs and their fixes in the installers, bootloaders and
> other essential stuff would help the userbase to have a more pleasant
> opensuse experience.

Just answers to fud.

We have a way to do release, perhaps not the better one, but tests help us between the whole factory cycle
and especially from beta to RC2.

Trying to be good neighbors with people than maintain openSUSE's mirrors is just a question of acting like responsible people.

You're talking about torrent, are you able to sustain the quantity of data spread around during launch time. I guess you have no ideas about the numbers.
Did you also know, that the project is looking for early seeders, to help the mass on release date. We're looking for smart ass that will be able to pre get & share the torrent. Are you in ?
Now you're already send them to the mass, I just hope that enough people will play their role of seeder, and keep the connection and share open for one month.

You're describing a feeling, (the dislike stuff) but have you facts, that could help the different teams, and the project in global to act (react) better ?
If not, or if you don't want to do somethings, you're just wasting characters. It's always a bit more complicated to act than to judge or emit ideas & feeling.

About the re-release : That's why you could add *-update repositories during install and thus get the update in one pass.
No need to wait like others distributions their re-released stuff.
This is documented in proper docs.
Also most of the time, Live cd are released, with *updates on them. Allowing to do what you describe.
Now I would say, that nobody will forbid you to do the job of a release, but for sure there's some rules to follow.

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Re: 13.1 GM

Kyrill Detinov
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On Sun, 17 Nov 2013 17:59:00 +0100 cagsm wrote:

> uhm, thats why they invented torrents like ages ago. releasing the
> stuff to masses early potentially gives a hole lot of more and better
> early "final" testing in case there is mess with the release. I also
> dislike that often opensuse had too many trouble on the final
> goldmaster bits especially for install and upgrade scenarios and this
> never gets addressed the whole userbase has to wait for the n+1
> release of opensuse and pray for salvation that that release wont give
> them the trouble the n-release is giving them. debian and others do
> re-releases of their stuff over the maintenance period where
> especially bugs and their fixes in the installers, bootloaders and
> other essential stuff would help the userbase to have a more pleasant
> opensuse experience.
You lost the "Shift" button?
Message formatting would be good also.

> opensuse

openSUSE, in fact.

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Re: 13.1 GM

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I agree that mirrors should come up with the .isos at the same time, but the .torrent, .md5, .sha1 should be made available much sooner, even if through other means, perhaps only from the main server.

I found the 13.1 torrent with the same hash published through alternate means, downloaded it just to seed, didn`t use it because I had no means of authenticating it (still don't since I'm not sure I can trust the post with a matching torrent hash).

So I edited the .torrent file and added the opensuse tracker, now I'm on the official swarm, with the x86_64 and i586 full DVDs.
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Re: 13.1 GM

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the asc and hash files are also available
<http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2013-11/msg00445.html>

On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 9:29 AM, macpacheco <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I agree that mirrors should come up with the .isos at the same time, but the
> .torrent, .md5, .sha1 should be made available much sooner, even if through
> other means, perhaps only from the main server.
> I found the 13.1 torrent with the same hash published through alternate
> means, downloaded it just to seed, didn`t use it because I had no means of
> authenticating it (still don't since I'm not sure I can trust the post with
> a matching torrent hash).
> Right now I'd like to get the hot torrent file so I could be ready to seed
> now (about 6 hours ahead), torrent file that as tracker.opensuse.org:6990 on
> it.
>
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Re: 13.1 GM

Agustin Benito Bethencourt

Hi,

 

there is a lot of work to do between GM and GA (Release day). Please check the link to see the tasks that need to be done:

 

* https://progress.opensuse.org/versions/47

 

As you can see, there are many non-technical tasks too.

 

On Monday 18 November 2013 10:18:04 cagsm wrote:

> the asc and hash files are also available

> <http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2013-11/msg00445.html>

>

> On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 9:29 AM, macpacheco <[hidden email]> wrote:

> > I agree that mirrors should come up with the .isos at the same time, but

> > the .torrent, .md5, .sha1 should be made available much sooner, even if

> > through other means, perhaps only from the main server.

> > I found the 13.1 torrent with the same hash published through alternate

> > means, downloaded it just to seed, didn`t use it because I had no means of

> > authenticating it (still don't since I'm not sure I can trust the post

> > with

> > a matching torrent hash).

> > Right now I'd like to get the hot torrent file so I could be ready to seed

> > now (about 6 hours ahead), torrent file that as tracker.opensuse.org:6990

> > on it.

> >

> >

> >

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